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Help Please

Postby hogfan88 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:16 am

I got a DUI a while back. The base never got jurisdiction but why still punished me with LOR and UIF/Control roster. The Air force is doing a force reduction and I'm on the list because I have an active control roster. My original DOS is June 6th they are forcing us out March 31st. I am appealing it but what ticks me off is they are making our reenlistment code an RE4 which meant I can't
Go in the guard or reserve. I am Stationed at Barksdale AFB. All I have ever wanted is to finish my enlistment on my
Own and go in the TN ANG. Any advice on how to convince them to let me finish my enlistment. It's only a difference of 67 days.
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Re: Help Please

Postby Penguine » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:39 am

That sucks, atleast for you anyway. I retired after 21yrs in the Air Force, and frankly I think punishment should be harder than a DOS rollback. As much as don't drinking and drive is preached daily to everyone in the Air Force you made a conscious choice to drink and then get behind the wheel. Count yourself lucky that you're not in jail, that you didn't kill your best friend, that you didn't kill yourself. The military doesn't want people that willfully break the law. Stop whining and suck it up and take your punishment. If you so desperately wanted to finish out your enlistment and go in to the Guard then you would not have made the choice to drink and drive. My personal feelings on the issue, as a past supervisor of idiots that drink and drive, is that you should not even get to stay in till March 31. You should of spent some time in jail and given a bad conduct disharge and put out now. Way to many people in the AF drink and drive. The "DUI Board" at the front gate of Ellsworth AFB changes weekly with someone from a different squadron getting caught.

Stupid choice, pay the price, and live with YOUR decision to drink and drive and the consequences of that choice. Look in the mirror and say to yourself, "You f*cked up." The Air Force, your CC, 1st Shirt, Supervisor, ect isn't doing this to you, YOU did it to yourself. Amazing how you come here and ask for help.
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Re: Help Please

Postby hogfan88 » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:51 am

Look here everyone I work with is behind me my chief my flight chiefs my supervision. I lost my best friend to drinking and driving after I got my DUI. I have learned my lesson the hard way. Your prolly the typical airforce person who lived there career underneath the desk of the person above you. I had to escort my roomates body home and he lost control of his motorcycle at 135 mph drunk. I tell his stories at a MADD meeting. Yes I screwed up learned my lesson so why should have my life ruined because a bump in the road. Get off your high horse dude.
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Re: Help Please

Postby Penguine » Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:02 am

Here is a tissue, go cry in the corner. And there lies the problem with the Air Force, your broke the law, you get punished, but yet everyone is behind you and thinks cause you're a "great guy" or whatever the punishment was to harsh. The problem with the Air Force is that the punishment is never harsh enough. You knew the trouble you could get in, I bet it was even briefed the day before you decided to drink and drive, yet you made the choice to break the law, go against the UCMJ, and then have the balls to say you should not be punished. Like I said, amazing.

Sorry to hear about your friend, that sucks, but again he made that choice. That could of very well been you, or some young family that you hit head on, or someone crossing the street. The problem is that you have not learned anything from the experience. YOU screwed up, noone else.

As for where I spent my career, well I can say I never had the pleasure of going to my CC cause I got a DUI. I can say that I spent it in the US, Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Kuwait, Iraq, Kyrgyzstan, and a few other place, and I never once got tagged with a DUI. Guess some are just smart enough to take a cab, crash at a friends house, or have a DD.
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Re: Help Please

Postby Volsduck » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:34 am

Penguine,

The guy is young and made a mistake in which he his remorseful for. It's spilled milk, so why continue to beat him up about it? He's paid his price for it and then some. You would think someone who spent 21 years in the AF would have some positive advice for the kid and be somewhat of a mentor for him. You must have made a horrible SNCO or officer if this is how you counseled troops who made mistakes or needed help. We all make mistakes when we are young and dumb, and learn and recover from them. I assume you never made a mistake early in your career?

Just curious what career field you were? I bet I could nail it down given three guesses.

Hogfan, shoot me a PM if you haven't got this resolved and I will try to help as much as I can.

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Re: Help Please

Postby rvrrat01 » Thu Jan 05, 2012 3:22 am

hogfan88 wrote:I got a DUI a while back. The base never got jurisdiction but why still punished me with LOR and UIF/Control roster. The Air force is doing a force reduction and I'm on the list because I have an active control roster. My original DOS is June 6th they are forcing us out March 31st. I am appealing it but what ticks me off is they are making our reenlistment code an RE4 which meant I can't
Go in the guard or reserve. I am Stationed at Barksdale AFB. All I have ever wanted is to finish my enlistment on my
Own and go in the TN ANG. Any advice on how to convince them to let me finish my enlistment. It's only a difference of 67 days.


Hogfan88,

You've obviously got yourself into a difficult situation and surely don't need anyone bashing you (Penquine). It's been a couple years since I retired out of the Guard, but would have to think there would be some way you could get in. Have you talked to any Guard units about your situation and what options you might have? The Guard understands we are human and that we sometimes make mistakes. If everything else is clean such as doing well in your AFSC, clean performance reports, except of course the ones associated with the DUI, then there might be a chance. I'm not familiar with the reenlistment code RE4, but depending on how many years you have in and how much it is worth it to you, you might be able to get in with some kind of loss of time in service or loss of rank depending on what is available. One of the biggest things in the Guard is connections. If you were hoping to get into the TN Guard then you should already have one there. Talk to them and get the ball rolling as soon as you can. If you don't do all you can to find out you'll never know. If you want, PM me some info about yourself so that I have something to work with and I'll bounce it off some friends who are still in the Guard.
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Re: Help Please

Postby PoorSTLguy » Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:33 pm

gotta side with penguine on this one .. i spent 4 years active army, reserve now .. and there wasn't a single friday (safety brief) where our first sergeant/commander didn't preach "dont drink and drive". it was drilled in our heads... and atleast every year a handful of soldiers on our base died because they wanted to test their luck.

i'm not going to sit here and tell you i never drank and drove, but the few times that i did, there was absolutely no question in my mind the risk i was taking, and i would have faced the punishment like a man.

if you want a job where your personal life decisions/mistakes are less likely to affect your professional life, you have no business being in the military any way.

you knew better, you did it any way, you got caught .. i personally have no sympathy. If kicking you out of the military sets an example for even one other soldier who might have otherwise drove drunk and hurt/killed someone... it was well worth it.
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Re: Help Please

Postby riley09 » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:19 pm

He is asking for advice, not for a couple idiots to tell him what he did was wrong.If you dont have advice (penguine and poorstlguy} stop being such an *** hole and go talk about how great you are to each other. PPL make mistakes. I am pretty sure he knows he made a mistake. A dui is a big deal. I am sure he learned a lesson and got punished adequately for it. In my opinion that is no reason to not let him in the guard. He is doing a good thing. Best of luck
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Re: Help Please

Postby PoorSTLguy » Fri Jan 06, 2012 3:59 pm

yeah, we're being a$$holes because we're criticizing him for asking for loopholes to the "punishment" that's been assigned to him, after he got caught breaking a law he knew he should have never broke.

want advice? take responsibility like a man. hold yourself accountable for your actions. transition out of the military and look for a civilian job. you have proven atleast twice in this thread alone that you don't hold the values that the military demands of its soldiers.
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Re: Help Please

Postby riley09 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 2:08 am

[quote="PoorSTLguy"]

i'm not going to sit here and tell you i never drank and drove, but the few times that i did, there was absolutely no question in my mind the risk i was taking, and i would have faced the punishment like a man.


So your saying you have no business being in the military either? You drank and drove also, the only difference is getting caught.
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Re: Help Please

Postby PoorSTLguy » Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:36 am

the fact that he is failing to take responsibility for what he did, and isn't holding himself accountable is more disappointing than the fact that he got caught drinking and driving.
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Re: Help Please

Postby riley09 » Sat Jan 07, 2012 4:10 pm

ill agree with taking responsibility for his actions, but to not let him join the guard after hopefully having learned his lesson is going to far in my opinion ..........it sounds like he is on the right track with speaking at madd classes and such...........If i was in his situation i would want to move forward with my life and try to do something good with it in the military.....i know its a consequence but i dont think it should be. Maybe have him go to treatment or whatever but if he wants to guard one incident shouldnt prevent that
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Re: Help Please

Postby tlegere104 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 6:52 am

riley09 wrote:ill agree with taking responsibility for his actions, but to not let him join the guard after hopefully having learned his lesson is going to far in my opinion ..........it sounds like he is on the right track with speaking at madd classes and such...........If i was in his situation i would want to move forward with my life and try to do something good with it in the military.....i know its a consequence but i dont think it should be. Maybe have him go to treatment or whatever but if he wants to guard one incident shouldnt prevent that


So as a Police Officer I should not loose my job if I get a DUI, please contact your State legislatures and let them know this, and campaign for it. I know a lot of good cops who after seeing what people do to each other fall to a DUI. They knew the consequences and accepted them.
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Re: Help Please

Postby Ichabod97 » Sun Jan 08, 2012 7:04 am

I don't know how the AF is about alcohol related incidents, but the Navy is pretty harsh nowadays. They can put you out on your first ARI, especially DUI's. With most of the military branches facing cutbacks thanks to our government's budgeting, it is going to be tough to get your foot in the door with another branch especially after being separated for an ARI. As for finding a loophole...good luck. I've been in the Navy for 10 years and hear the same speech every Friday about drinking and driving, finding a ride home, don't do drugs, etc. I gotta say i'm on board with these other two guys...you chose to take that chance you got caught, now you gotta pay the price. I've seen this happen to some good sailors and all we can say is "I told you so."
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Re: Help Please

Postby reliablefr » Thu Dec 06, 2012 1:50 am

the fact that he is failing to take responsibility for what he did, and isn't holding himself accountable is more disappointing than the fact that he got caught drinking and driving.








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Re: Help Please

Postby flyfisher76544 » Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:03 am

Only thing you could do is talk with JAG and see what the lawyers tell you. But, be prepared for the worse. :no:
You are worried about the RE code, I think you need to be more focused on what type of discharge they are going to wind up giving you.....thats what can really mess things up for you and whether or not you will lose your benefits(I.E education and med) Sorry about your bud.
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Re: Help Please

Postby LaRedneck » Thu Dec 06, 2012 12:33 pm

Ya'll realize that thread started a year ago...dudes probably got the boot by now
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Help Please

Postby dgram36 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:04 am

Penguine wrote:That sucks, atleast for you anyway. I retired after 21yrs in the Air Force, and frankly I think punishment should be harder than a DOS rollback. As much as don't drinking and drive is preached daily to everyone in the Air Force you made a conscious choice to drink and then get behind the wheel. Count yourself lucky that you're not in jail, that you didn't kill your best friend, that you didn't kill yourself. The military doesn't want people that willfully break the law. Stop whining and suck it up and take your punishment. If you so desperately wanted to finish out your enlistment and go in to the Guard then you would not have made the choice to drink and drive. My personal feelings on the issue, as a past supervisor of idiots that drink and drive, is that you should not even get to stay in till March 31. You should of spent some time in jail and given a bad conduct disharge and put out now. Way to many people in the AF drink and drive. The "DUI Board" at the front gate of Ellsworth AFB changes weekly with someone from a different squadron getting caught.

Stupid choice, pay the price, and live with YOUR decision to drink and drive and the consequences of that choice. Look in the mirror and say to yourself, "You f*cked up." The Air Force, your CC, 1st Shirt, Supervisor, ect isn't doing this to you, YOU did it to yourself. Amazing how you come here and ask for help.


I guarantee you this tool retired a MSgt. Being young and making a mistake isn't the be all and end all of it. Learning from your mistakes is what's important. The Air Force isn't the end of your life either. Get out and do well for yourself. I had a friend and coworker who had the exact same thing happen to him. There was nothing my leadership could do to retain him, even being in a low manning situation.
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Re: Help Please

Postby LaRedneck » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:23 pm

I guarantee you he didn't in todays Air Force, especially as NCO. Examples are being made every day.....case and point...

http://www.dailyrepublic.com/news/crime ... dly-crash/
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Postby dgram36 » Fri Dec 07, 2012 4:13 pm

Unfortunately someone died in that instance, there are consequences that must be paid. Roll backs are not consequences, they are force shaping tools.
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Re: Help Please

Postby slamdown11 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 11:57 am

There's nothing that I am aware of that you can do. You're being forced out as force reduction, not punishment. You're RE code is a consequence of the DUI.

You can apply after discharge to have your RE code upgraded, but there is no gaurantee it will be granted.
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