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2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby Specklebelly » Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:31 pm

I am just sitting around bored so I thought I would ask a question I have thought about many a time.

When I was a kid I for some reason remember seeing shotgun shells for sale in 10 gauge with a 2 7/8 inch length. This was in the 70's when we used to by our shooting supplies at a grocery store in Tulsa, Ok. Man times have sure changed. They had a whole section of guns, shooting and reloading stuff etc. I digress.

These shells stuck out to me because I was surprised it wasn't 2 3/4 like the 12 that I used to shoot.

I never have seen any sold since and my SP-10 says it only takes 3 1/2 rounds. Am I crazy or is this a legitmate shell for the 10 gauge? If so does anyone use them?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby hamernhonkers » Thu Mar 11, 2010 12:22 am

It was the standard length for the 10 for a long time. I shoot them in a single shot American arms I have and I am still looking for a good o/u to shoot them through. You can get loading info from BPI for reloading them and rst still factory loads them.

http://www.rstshells.com/rst_classic_sh ... shells.htm
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby joshco84 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 2:07 pm

Redgun actually reloaded some to shoot for practice when we were out breaking clays one day. The only problem we had with them was they would not cycle in a browing gold ten as it would kick two out of the mag and try to double feed.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby solway gunner » Sun Mar 14, 2010 4:14 pm

ive got some old lead loads with blue dot for that chamber length and the 25/8th chamber too,if you want ill pm them you.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby grnhd » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:12 pm

Joshco...I was wondering if I could shoot some light loads in my Gold 10 and you answered my question.The gun would shoot them fine if you only put one shell in at a time I'm guessing right?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby joshco84 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:20 pm

Yeah it shot and cycled the gun fine, it was just double feeding.

Now that i think about it i dont know if we tried it with one in the hole and one in the mag. That might have worked now that i think about it.

One thing about it those little shorty shells kicked harder than hell lol. I think they were easily as much recoil as a 10 gauge 3.5.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby grnhd » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:13 am

Kicked hard huh.Well that counts me out.I thought it might be a way to do some practice with the 10 but not if it stomps my arse.
I'll probably still load some up....you know just to say I done it. :grooving:

Do you remember what the recipe was?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby joshco84 » Mon Mar 15, 2010 8:21 pm

I dont know the recipe, but they were in cut down winchester hulls i think so he didnt ruin any good rems or federals.

PM Redgun. I know they were 1 3/8 lead sevens over longshot powder. Pretty much ten gauge dove loads with a lot of whollap to em lol.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby pennsyltucky » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:21 am

i shoot lots of cut down loads. i use my 10's for everything from doves and woodcock to squirrels and black bear. when the crimps get blown out, i cut them to 3 inches and load them another 10 times. they kick much less than a full house load. there was something seriously wrong with redguns load. i shoot 1 1/4-1 1/2 oz loads with mine using the decimax and sp10. i think ballistic products has another 10ga sport wad out as well. just do yourself the favor and cut em at 3" instead of 2 7/8" so you can load them with the normal 600jr. also, get or make a hull skiver so they will crimp right.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby Yuchi1 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:27 pm

Best I recall, the 10 gauge 2 7/8" in 1 1/4 ounce & 16 gauge in 1 ounce (lead loads) were the only two "square" loads which allegedly produced optimum patterns.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby UK fowler » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:59 pm

that doesnt work out 16oz to a pound yes ok 16g =1oz load 10g =1.6oz load i think a maths test is on the cards
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby Yuchi1 » Sun Mar 21, 2010 9:54 pm

UK fowler wrote:that doesnt work out 16oz to a pound yes ok 16g =1oz load 10g =1.6oz load i think a maths test is on the cards
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IMHO, it's more a rule of thumb to go by than a definite formula as even different types of lead (plated vs. non-plated & high antimony vs. low antimony) pellets would likely have a range of variance not to mention the shot size itself would likely play a critical (read; volumetric) role as well.

Plus other pellet types (steel, bismuth, tungsten alloy, etc.) would likely (literally) stack up differently.

The best way to get an accurate assessment would probably be to assemble a variety of shot charges in the shotcup and then measure to the bore ID.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby UK fowler » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:09 pm

just testing :thumbsup: and dont foget types of wad (fiber or plastic) :beer:
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby Ned S » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:36 pm

Hello
I am Mike , Ned's Friend, I have and load an Ithaca NID 2 7/8 chamber and we were just logging in for Ned who was having problems
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby skeettx » Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:49 pm

Hello
This is Mike, Ned's Friend ( YES He has some friends), I went ahead and registered for myself :smile:

What I have been loading for 10 gauge 2 7/8 are OLD Remington Hulls cut to length, Remington *57 primers, 25 grains of Green Dot, Remington SP10 wad, two cheerios, 1 1/8 ounce of shot and a six star crimp.

You can also use one cheerio and use 1 1/4 ounce of shot.

And you can go up to 28 grains of Green Dot, and 1 1/4 ounce of shot, but when I shoot skeet with my NID the recoil is pretty high.

The Ithaca NID has 32 inch full and full barrels and swings quite nicely

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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby grnhd » Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:13 pm

OK....what is a cheerio?
I know you're not putting cereal in you shotgun shells....are you :lol3:
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby skeettx » Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:54 pm

Hello
Why yes, I am,
Yes Cheerios is a breakfast food, of standard shape and size,it is bio-degradable , and is light weight. Perfect as a filler and during shooting it is pulverised and a not noticeable, I use the Wal-mart brand (non-sugar coated)
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby hamernhonkers » Fri Apr 02, 2010 10:19 pm

Only cause I want to make sure, you have a body of your own right Mike?

With Ned getting up in years just want to make sure he doesn't have a new personality coming out :biggrin:














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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby skeettx » Sat Apr 03, 2010 6:35 am

Hello
Yes, I have a different body :smile:
I live about 2 miles from Ned and he calls me when he has computer problems
I have hunted with Ned for about 20 years, the stories I could tell :eek:
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby Ned S » Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:58 am

skeettx, Welcome aboard this forum. I know we will enjoy your gun and reloading knowledge. Mike, is a great gunsmith. Thanks for helping me get my puter going. Ned S
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby grnhd » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:28 pm

Skeettx aka Mike
So do you just drop a couple of cherrios in,drop the shot and then crimp it? Interesting. I wonder, can you use this with steel shot?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby Ned S » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:30 am

Probably but peanut foam works also and cheap. Ned S
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 7:52 am

OK OK since we're talking old guys, me included, and old 10 Ga, 2-7/8, I have a question.............
I have a few PAPER winchester and Rem cases and we here in Canada are stuck with Steel for waterfowl, does anyone have a Steel recipe for the 3-1/2 10 PAPER cases or perhaps I could cut them to 3" for 2 - 7/8 loads. What preference for the crimp ~ roll or 6 point?
I would like to load these for some skeet or trap practice and can load lead but just in case of an ammo mix up I would prefer steel so the wardens don't get upset with me in the marsh with lead loads.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby skeettx » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:24 pm

Hello grnhd
Yes just drop them into the wad before loading the shot, orientation does not seem to matter with small shot, do NOT bring the shot drop tube into contact with the cheerios as they will stop up the tube and then drop the shot as the worst time. MURPHY lives.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby pennsyltucky » Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:04 pm

what a great idea! cheerios are so terrible to eat...now i have a use for them :yes:
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