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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby fastloadskill » Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:54 am

I've got 500 ALCAN 10 gauge paper hulls, primed, in the original boxes. I don't know what to do with them? I don't believe I can ship them cause they are primed. Maybe someone has an idea what to do with them?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby Ned S » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:42 am

You can ship them, no problem. Ned S
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:37 pm

ive never had any paper hulls. would my bpi roll crimper do paper?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:11 am

Earlier in this topic I asked the same question about availability of Steel shot data for these old Winchester and Remington 3-1/2" PAPER cases. These are very environmentally friendly when you can't find the mt's in the marsh grass.

I used my roll crimper for 10's a lot in the "old" days so there's no reason the bpi roll crimper won't work.

I sure would like to get some reloading data for them with either BPD's, BPD tuff's or Sam 1's for Steel shot. I'm not looking for a super high speed load just something for up to 40 yds over deeks using 3's or 7's for ducks mainly.

I'm sure a lot of us older 10 ga guys will have a few of these paper hulls that we would like to use up rather than throw them in the landfill and always wonder how they would have worked with some of the newer components.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby wildlew » Tue Apr 27, 2010 10:57 pm

Hello, alliant has 10ga reloads from 1 1/4oz to 2oz. I just cut down my wore out shells to 2 7/8''. Mec make a plate to reload this
2 7/8'' shells you just slide it in for the short ones then out for 3 1/2''
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:41 am

Are these Alliant loads listed for steel shot in paper cases?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby bassmaster624 » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:29 pm

in one of my older books i found 5 loads for 2 7/8's and 1 for a 3" roll crimp.1 is an 1.5 lead load that goes 1490 fpsi only found 1 load for steel shot and the cut lengh is 3".using fed hull.no steel loads for 2 7/8's.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby wildlew » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:34 pm

Lostknife4 No they are for Lead only
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:33 pm

bassmaster624 wrote:in one of my older books i found 5 loads for 2 7/8's and 1 for a 3" roll crimp.1 is an 1.5 lead load that goes 1490 fpsi only found 1 load for steel shot and the cut lengh is 3".using fed hull.no steel loads for 2 7/8's.


Was this one steel load for paper cases?
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby bassmaster624 » Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:04 pm

not for a paper case.it's a fed hull plastic
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby wildlew » Sat May 01, 2010 11:36 pm

Hello BPI has lots of data for 2 7/8'' steel loads.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Sun May 02, 2010 8:20 am

wildlew wrote:Hello BPI has lots of data for 2 7/8'' steel loads.


Are any of them for PAPER Hulls????
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby bassmaster624 » Sun May 02, 2010 9:09 am

wildlew which manual do you have mine are old maybe it's time to buy a new 1.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby skeettx » Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:31 pm

Hello,
Happy New Years !!

Just a story to warm my heart.

Some years ago, I was acquired by a Grade II L. C. Smith in 10 gauge that was made at the old plant. I feel that she is one of the last hammerless made at the Syracuse plant. She has damascus steel barrels that are beautiful to look at. One day she and I were involved in a gentle warm discussion and she asked me if I would take her duck hunting. I tried to explain that the rules had changed and now steel shot was required and smokeless powder was the norm. She looked at me with that special way that only she can do and said "Please, please." Well, no way that I could say no to "Her Sweetness."

So what is a fella to do. I found 25 Alcan all brass shotshell hulls that take the 57 size primers. I made a sizing die to insure they might fit into her sleek chambers. She was really excited when I showed her the brass hulls. She said she remembered the days when brass and also paper hulls were very common. Wow, is she pretty when she smiles. Now, I found some 1F black powder, and some 10 gauge over shot wads. I also bought some MEC 10 gauge steel wads which I cut off to the correct length to fit into the alcan hulls. I talked it over with her and said I would only be using #3 steel pellets to insure she would not get swollen. She sure did appreciate that. So, I combined the hulls, primers, dipper load of 1F black, cutoff MEC wad, same dipper of #3 steel shot and topped it off with an over shot wad and Elmer's glue around the edge. I did insure the shot volumn was a little smaller that the wad volumn to insure all the shot stayed in the wad during the travel down the barrels. I showed the finished cartridges to her and wow, did she shine with joy. Well now we made a date to go to the duck blind. I was so proud to show her off to my buddies, I mean who would not brag if his special gal would get up and go so early in the morning. Well, here came the test, I caressed her and THEN here came the ducks and it an instant, she was up and spoke with authority and power. Smoke was everywhere, but when it cleared TWO green head mallards were feet up on the water. WHAT A JOY. She has told me things that she has kept in her heart for years. She and I have grown closer and closer. We often just gaze at each other and smile. She does wonder if any of her old girlfriends out there hunt any more. I did assure her that I would find out.

Enjoy the hunt,

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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby BT Justice » Tue Dec 27, 2011 3:48 am

If you guys need load data for 2 7/8" hulls I have some. As many of you have already found out they won't cycle in the Gold 10, SP-10 or Mag 10 shotguns, but they make a nice start off load. They other probelm is once you go under 1 1/2 oz lead loads with most modern auto loaders you can also have cycling probelms even if you use 3 1/2' hull light loads. I've also made up a fairly nice 1 1/4 oz steel load for the 2 7/8" hulls,again it won't cycle in the autoloaders but it makes a nice lead off duck load.
As for the steel loads in the paper hulls, it may work but I wouldn't put 100% trust in old paper hulls holding up to modern steel shot load pressures, lead loads should be fine.
The 10 ga with 2 7/8 " shells used to be the standard waterfowling gun about 100 years ago, I think that's why you see so many of the older 10 ga SxS guns with waterfowling scenes engraved on them, the 12 ga was around but not until the military used it a as service weapon did it overtake the 10 ga in popularity.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:37 am

My BPS 10 cycles everything. Lost
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby skeettx » Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:16 pm

NO ONE else shoot a short chambered 10 gauge??
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby nhshotgunner » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:19 pm

You are not alone skeettx but there are only a few of us short tenner's left.

BTJustice what do you have for 2 7/8" 10ga loads, anything beyond Sherman Bell's stuff?

Parker NH 10ga 32" Twist Steel from 1893 (Just over 1500 Grade 1 Twist Hammerless 10's were built)
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby BT Justice » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:40 am

[quote="nhshotgunner"]You are not alone skeettx but there are only a few of us short tenner's left.

BTJustice what do you have for 2 7/8" 10ga loads, anything beyond Sherman Bell's stuff?

Parker NH 10ga 32" Twist Steel from 1893 (Just over 1500 Grade 1 Twist Hammerless 10's were built)
Works good on black bandits too
We have a lot of older DuPont recipes here and some of the older Lyman Loads, all lead loads. Loads for your Damascus barrel gun I don't have, but it seems your doing fairly well with it by the looks of things... :thumbsup:
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby 10Tenner » Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:16 am

In one of the older 10 ga BPI manuals a 1 1/4 steel, 2 7/8 roll, using 4756, Federal hull. I had PW cut down a die to 3 in. Used that load with a fold crimp, and it was nice duck load. I no longer use a BPS 10 ga. that would cycle them. Made a nice swatter load, less room in the pockets due to the short length. I do not remember the powder charge. Contact BPI, they should have the load on file. 10Tenner
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby nhshotgunner » Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:02 am

BT Justice wrote:We have a lot of older DuPont recipes here and some of the older Lyman Loads, all lead loads. Loads for your Damascus barrel gun I don't have, but it seems your doing fairly well with it by the looks of things... :thumbsup:


The load I have used most often has been , fed hull 32gr SR7625, SP10 wad, .135 nitro card, 1 1/4 ounce lead 6 and star crimp , 6700 psi for crows. I shoot a lot of crows, 663 this past fall :biggrin: Bismuth is the same only 1 1/4 ounce bismuth 2 or 4, .25 16ga fiber filler and a roll crimp. I have been experimenting with 27 grains Green Dot for 1 1/4 lead, seems to work well. With less powder and total ejecta they should be about +/- 7500 psi. I am going to send them out to Precision Reloading for testing once I am sure they go bang reliably in cold weather. That load is based on an Alliant recipe for 3.5" hulls using 29 grains GD and 1 1/4 ounce lead which is at 8800 psi. Any load you have that is <9000 psi lead or bismuth I would be interested in learning about and source.
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby UK fowler » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:04 pm

nhshotgunner wrote:
BT Justice wrote:We have a lot of older DuPont recipes here and some of the older Lyman Loads, all lead loads. Loads for your Damascus barrel gun I don't have, but it seems your doing fairly well with it by the looks of things... :thumbsup:


The load I have used most often has been , fed hull 32gr SR7625, SP10 wad, .135 nitro card, 1 1/4 ounce lead 6 and star crimp , 6700 psi for crows. I shoot a lot of crows, 663 this past fall :biggrin: Bismuth is the same only 1 1/4 ounce bismuth 2 or 4, .25 16ga fiber filler and a roll crimp. I have been experimenting with 27 grains Green Dot for 1 1/4 lead, seems to work well. With less powder and total ejecta they should be about +/- 7500 psi. I am going to send them out to Precision Reloading for testing once I am sure they go bang reliably in cold weather. That load is based on an Alliant recipe for 3.5" hulls using 29 grains GD and 1 1/4 ounce lead which is at 8800 psi. Any load you have that is <9000 psi lead or bismuth I would be interested in learning about and source.

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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby nhshotgunner » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:20 am

I did run across this published load for 10ga 2 7/8" 1 3/8 ounce of Nice Shot. It does not indicate whether a star or roll crimp is used. I suspect star since no filler wad is required. You should be able to tell by how much room is left for the crimp. That load is fast as far as I am concerned, I think will try it and I think I will back the powder off 2 grains and go to a roll crimp which would require a little filler. A little less powder and roll crimp together would drop pressure from what is stated.

2 7/8" reloading data, especially for non-tox is hard to come by.

Fed Hull, Fed 209A primer, 33.3 gr Hodgdon Longshot, SP10 wad, 1 3/8 Nice Shot, 1335 fps, 8780 psi

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http://randywakeman.com/Nice_Shot_Reloa ... _Gauge.htm
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby skeettx » Mon Jan 16, 2012 4:50 pm

Gentlemen
thanks for the responses
I also have an Ithaca NID 10 gauge (under 500,000) so it has
short chambers, what a great gun !!
Really puffs the targets at the skeet range :smile:
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Re: 2 7/8 10 gauge

Postby nhshotgunner » Sat Apr 28, 2012 7:23 am

My winter project, to find and collect in a single place all published reloading data for the 2 7/8" 10 gauge. I have some more data coming in the mail and will update the spreadsheet with a few more loads in the coming weeks. If you have any loading data for the short ten that is not included please send it to me and I will add it to the spreadsheet.

The information and data contained on these pages is for informational purposes only. I do NOT assume, nor do I accept ANY responsibility, implied or expressed, for the accuracy of the material posted (including potential typos), nor do I assume or accept ANY liability or responsibility, implied or expressed, of the results you will obtain by using any of the data posted on these pages.

I have no control over variations in components, reloading tools or your procedures. YOU are solely responsible for EVERYTHING that may occur using this data.



http://www.fileden.com/files/2012/4/28/3297938/ComprehensiveListofShortTenloads5.2.2012.pdf
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