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380 for a carry weapon?

Postby lumpy2181 » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:09 pm

Does anyone carry a 380 for their carry weapon? How are the ballistics for .380 personal defense rounds? Would it be worth it or should I go up to the .40 or 45 acp?
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby apexhunter » Fri Oct 01, 2010 6:18 am

There are a few trains of thought on this and they vary depending upon the personal preference of those that carry on a daily basis. First and foremost the golden rule of being caught in a gun fight is to have a gun! Having a .380 in the hand trumps having anything else in the truck. Hell, there have been more people killed with a .22lr than most any other round so most any hind of weapon can be utilized for defensive purposes and a .380 is definitely better than nothing.

As far as the effectiveness of the .380 goes, with advancements in ammunition components of late (new powder formulations and projectiles capable of decent penetration) you can get more than respectable performance from a .380...performance capable of stopping and/or putting down an assailant. Does the .380 have as much energy or penetration as a .40 or .45? Absolutely not! But the fact that there are several .380 pistols that are smaller, lighter and easier to conceal than many others with larger bores makes them a better choice for many. That said, all things being somewhat equal not many will purposely trade down from a larger caliber to the .380 if their bigger caliber pistol is easily concealed and comfortably carried. Personally I prefer to carry either my 3" 1911 in .45 or DX SC.40, but if a .380 it is the only pistol I have immediate access to you can bet it'll definitely be wielded when the SHTF.

A good tip would be to go to a range with rental pistols and shoot varying models in .380, 9mm, .40 and .45 to see which feels better to you, is controlable for you to shoot and feels natural in your hands. Then get your self a GOOD holster and stock up on plenty of practice ammo as well as a couple different SD rounds to see what yur particular gun likes and shoot like hell. Just make sure to practice proper fundamentals of not only trigger control but safely and quickly gripping and presenting the gun from concealment in varying body positions. Even better advice would be to obtain some training so you can learn the proper techniques of SD- training above and beyond that of shooting stationary targets at 7 yards to get a CCP.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby OrangeLake » Fri Oct 01, 2010 7:52 pm

I've got a Ruger LCP in .380. I've done some research and found that a .380 is basically a 9mm short, the same as a .22 short is a shortened .22 long rifle. It has a little less power than a 9mm, according to the ballistic charts and records I read.

I use Hornady Critical Defense rounds. They're hollow's of course. I'm sure they'll take care of business, but will it beat a .40 or .45, like apex said, Absolutely Not! However, if I put a few hollows in someone (I hope to never) in a concealed carry situation, which is generally at about 2 feet, it's probably going to take them down pretty quickly.

I purchased mine for the purpose of concealed. My glock 27 was a little bigger than I was comfortable with. As for effectiveness of the .40, I know it'll rock someones world. I shot a wild hog with 180 gr hollows, and the effects were absolutely devastating. I hope to get a similar test in with the .380.


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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby Preacher1011 » Wed Oct 20, 2010 8:41 pm

As OrangeLake said, it is a 9mm short. It's also known as 9mm Kurtz and 9x17mm. That last number should sound familiar because the round everyone calls 9mm is actually a 9x19mm. 9mm Makarov fills in the gap at 9x18mm. Anyway, I digress. Like was said, it's better than having nothing. If you want a small gun, I'd much rather have a Smith and Wesson 642, but that's me. Personally in an auto I don't carry anything less than a .40. I carry a full size Glock 22 or a full size 1911 pretty much year round. When I wear gym shorts I'll carry my Glock 27. You can't tell I have a gun on me at all when I wear normal size clothing. It's all about the holster (I use a Minotaur inside the waist band holster). However, I have thought of getting a .380 to carry when I run because I simply can't carry any of the others.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby OrangeLake » Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:17 pm

If you're thinking of a .380 preach, I LOVE the rugers belt clip. The one that's bolted to the frame and looks like a clip on a pocket knife. Works great for me.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby Preacher1011 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:22 pm

If I get one it'll probably be the new one Smith came out with. Best feeling of the .380's to me. I just hate the stinking laser on it, guess I don't have to use it though. I just don't like .380 is all, but it's better than nothing.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:36 am

In the old days a full metal round nose was needed for penetration , but with the new powders and improved SD ammo
now on the shelves, the 380 has plenty of knock down power and penetration with one or two well placed shots.

I saw a 380 show on tv a few days ago and they liked the Winchester bonded bullet for the 380 and they also mentioned the Hornady bullet, both top of the line loads.

The MAIN thing is to shoot at least 25 -50 rounds through the auto to see if it will fire without ...JAMS !!
Some ammo jams,stove pipes, fails to feed etc..................not what one wants when time to preform.
It might be the BEST BULLET around but if it does not work, it is no good to you............

Hopefully your shots will be inside of 15 yards with these short barrel pistols and more like 10 feet ....or less is
some thing one shuld try.

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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby THROCK » Sat Dec 04, 2010 6:56 pm

.380 is a good little gun. I have one that I like to carry as a pocket gun. Saying this, I have fallen in love with a S&W 38 special. Bought it for my wife and now I have to get another one cause it is all I want to carry. Small, RELIABLE, and pretty cheap!
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby NYGOOSEHUNTER » Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:04 pm

I recommend the Kel-Tec .380. Get a Desantis Dragonskin holster for yer back pocket...draws clean and fast!!! Ichange my rounds seasonally...Silvertip Hollow points in summer....Ball in winter. A .380 Hollow point has a tough time penetrating those down filled coats commonly worn by the criminal element.


Kel-Tec is great, made in USA (miami, fl) I own the .32, .380 and 9mm.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby Sagebrush » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:50 pm

there are three brands that are top of the line.............

Cor-Bon 90gr at 1050fps
Winchester 95gr PDX
Remington 102gr at 940 fps

and make sure they work and don't jam, in your type of weapon.

Reloaders might try the Speer Gold Dot.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby epipeinfo » Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:18 am

thax its really a nice thread..... :beer:
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby carlschmarl2 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 1:24 am

I just bought a P380. It's a tad smaller than my PM9 and fits more easily in my jeans pocket than the PM9 does.

I don't know if I feel comfortable enough to carry only the 380 over the little PM9, but as someone stated earlier, 380 is better than no gun at all.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby carlschmarl2 » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:10 pm

My new P380 and G21 for a size comparison...the 380 is just a cute little thing.

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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby TomKat » Mon Mar 14, 2011 2:35 pm

ALL GOOD HANDGUNS HAVE 40 SOMEWHERE IN THEIR NAME
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby Duck Sausage » Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:47 pm

380 is a great carry gun if it means you will have it on you. Things that start with a 4 are often heavy (you do notice after 8+ hours) and print easily (especially thinner people and warm weather clothing). Personally I would recommend a small 9 because they are practically the same size as 380s.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby TomKat » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:18 am

I have owned a couple of .380's. One time I was in a very bad part of KCMO. I never felt so stupid and under gunned in my life.

I sold the cap gun and got my current Kahr CW40 that is not heavy, and packs a better punch. The cw40 is actually a bit smaller than its close realitive, the cw9.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby jOphExx » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:29 am

carlschmarl2 wrote:My new P380 and G21 for a size comparison...the 380 is just a cute little thing.

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They are both good. P380 is really great.


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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby downingducksdowneast » Wed Aug 24, 2011 8:03 pm

I picked up a LCP specifically because I was leaving my XDSC or full size XD in the truck instead of keeping it on me...packed with Hornady CD and I've been very happy with it and how much more (nearly all the time) I've been packing.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby MOSSBERG935 » Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:05 pm

I've shot a Ruger .380 and liked it a lot. At 25yds, I was able to put all the bullets in a 1" group.

However, I really want to buy a Smith and Wesson .380 bodyguard to carry off-duty. I currently carry a Glock 27, but I would like to have a "pocket pistol" and return to being able to tuck in a shirt and stop trying to conceal a gun.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby Poboy » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:49 pm

I have a S&W 380 bodyguard with the lazer sitght. I bought this gun to carry during the warmer months. Its small and I can carry it comfortably in shorts. Plus during the summer if you have to use the gun chances are your not going to be shooting at someone with 3 layers of cloths and a goose down jacket so the 380cal is plenty. during the winter I'll carry my 9mm. Plus I allways have a 40 in the truck.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby MOSSBERG935 » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:11 pm

I've got about 400 rounds through my S & W Bodyguard .380. The laser quit working. I called S & W, they are taking care of it.

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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby brsutton86 » Wed Dec 28, 2011 8:34 pm

MOSSBERG935 wrote:I've shot a Ruger .380 and liked it a lot. At 25yds, I was able to put all the bullets in a 1" group.

However, I really want to buy a Smith and Wesson .380 bodyguard to carry off-duty. I currently carry a Glock 27, but I would like to have a "pocket pistol" and return to being able to tuck in a shirt and stop trying to conceal a gun.


I love the LCP, I carry it in the summer months. I am by no means a pro shooter, but I shoot often I don't see how you can have 1" groupings at 25 yards. I'm not calling you a liar, but if you can your a beast with that pistol. I'd like to see a video of it. 7-10 yards its a great gun, but at 25 I've not seen anybody group good with any 380. I'm not calling you out, but just to inform people looking at buying a 380 to not expect that kind of groupings.
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby LakeHunter » Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:00 pm

downingducksdowneast wrote:I picked up a LCP specifically because I was leaving my XDSC or full size XD in the truck instead of keeping it on me...packed with Hornady CD and I've been very happy with it and how much more (nearly all the time) I've been packing.


Great idea - I may be a copycat :bow:
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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby MOSSBERG935 » Thu Aug 02, 2012 12:09 pm

brsutton86 wrote:
MOSSBERG935 wrote:I've shot a Ruger .380 and liked it a lot. At 25yds, I was able to put all the bullets in a 1" group.

However, I really want to buy a Smith and Wesson .380 bodyguard to carry off-duty. I currently carry a Glock 27, but I would like to have a "pocket pistol" and return to being able to tuck in a shirt and stop trying to conceal a gun.


I love the LCP, I carry it in the summer months. I am by no means a pro shooter, but I shoot often I don't see how you can have 1" groupings at 25 yards. I'm not calling you a liar, but if you can your a beast with that pistol. I'd like to see a video of it. 7-10 yards its a great gun, but at 25 I've not seen anybody group good with any 380. I'm not calling you out, but just to inform people looking at buying a 380 to not expect that kind of groupings.


Just saw this and thought, where the heck did he get 1"...WOW :fingerhead: big typo on my end......never the less I can get them all in center mass 7-25yards. 5, 7 and 15 could all be put in a 3" circle. 25 yards spread out significantly.

I will try to post a video of shooting steel at 50 yards...with it. It is an accurate gun...

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Re: 380 for a carry weapon?

Postby Bloke » Wed May 08, 2013 7:23 am

I have a Sig P238 .380 and absolutely love it. It is a bit pricey but has a match barrel wich greatly improves the accuracy. If you are in the market for a .380 then I would suggest at least taking a look at them. They are basically a mini 1911, around the same size as the LCP, but no plastic. It really is a pleasure to shoot.
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