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.30-06 vs .308

Postby shootermedic816 » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:11 pm

I am looking at purchasing a new rifle. Haven't decided between a .30-06 and the .308 caliber round. What are your guys thoughts? Pro's and cons for each?
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby ajmorell » Wed Oct 12, 2011 3:53 pm

Tomato - Tomatoe. Both are excellent calibers. The -06 has a very very slight velocity advantage but the 308 has the advantage of being on a short action (typically just a bit lighter weight, shorter bolt throw, and sometimes helps with eye relief issues).
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby TomKat » Wed Oct 12, 2011 4:38 pm

Neither.

.270 Winchester But if you forced me to make a choice, I do own a .30-06 as a back up to my .270
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby mw46 » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:19 pm

What are you planning on using it for? I'd go 308 ,not much the 06 can do that the 308 can't, plus all the stuff aj said with the addition of a lil less recoil.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby shootermedic816 » Wed Oct 12, 2011 6:49 pm

I am looking to use it for white tail primarily and then for an elk hunt in the next few years.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby California Sprig » Wed Oct 12, 2011 9:06 pm

The 06 is the most established rifle and probably the most widely used deer rifle in the US. You will find more loads for it than any other rifle. In addition you can find ammo for it just about anywhere. You won't go wrong with a 30-06. For me I like, both the 270 and the 30-06 about equally well. There is nothing wrong with the 308 a great caliber but owerall for me I'd go with a 06.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby MOhuntingGuy » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:55 pm

If you are going to possibly go elk hunting, then I'd go with the trusty 06. Like California said, you can find ammo for it practically anywhere and it's fairly cheap. Plus you can pick up some 220 grainers for elk. Did you ever pick out what rifle you to get?
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby ajmorell » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:24 am

MOhuntingGuy wrote:If you are going to possibly go elk hunting, then I'd go with the trusty 06. Like California said, you can find ammo for it practically anywhere and it's fairly cheap. Plus you can pick up some 220 grainers for elk. Did you ever pick out what rifle you to get?


You don't need 220 grain bullets for elk. A quality 165 or 180 is more than sufficient, something like a partition or TSX.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby shootermedic816 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:51 pm

Not yet MO. Haven't had a chance to come out to ****'s yet and talk to you. You gonna we working this weekend?
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby TomKat » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:35 am

ajmorell wrote:
MOhuntingGuy wrote:If you are going to possibly go elk hunting, then I'd go with the trusty 06. Like California said, you can find ammo for it practically anywhere and it's fairly cheap. Plus you can pick up some 220 grainers for elk. Did you ever pick out what rifle you to get?


You don't need 220 grain bullets for elk. A quality 165 or 180 is more than sufficient, something like a partition or TSX.


You should have seen what my 180 grn Partition did to a black bear...DRT. It was impressive.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby MOhuntingGuy » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:07 am

shootermedic816 wrote:Not yet MO. Haven't had a chance to come out to ****'s yet and talk to you. You gonna we working this weekend?
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Sagebrush » Fri Oct 14, 2011 6:27 pm

shot a 270,308 ,30-06 even a 30/40 krag.

All will do the job on anything standing in the USofA !!

If you reload a 30-06 has 100gr plinkers for kids and rabbits at 50 yards with no recoil to the big mean 220gr
Bear killers. the 270 had a 170gr speer but the 160gr nosler is maximum now.........not the best Bear load.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby mw46 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:10 pm

If there is something you can find for a 30-06 but not a 308, its probably not something your going to use on a regular basis. Even more so with reloading.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Preacher1011 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 9:19 pm

If I'm not mistaken the .308 has a better, more accurate range because the powder burns better because of it being a short and fatter cartridge than the .30-06. The -06 is faster which means less barrel life, but if you aren't shooting a ton, it's not a big deal. Like was said though, the -06 is available anywhere and is a VERY popular hunting cartridge. Finding ammo will be easier. However, it uses a long action. It's all about trade-offs.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby apexhunter » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:38 pm

Actually the .308 is nothing more than a shortened 06 so there is no advantage of a fatter case...you'd have to step up to a WSM for that. Another aspect is the versatility of the 06 as the rifles typically have a faster twist than those of a .308 (1 in 10" vs 1 in 12") which makes the 06 more capable of shooting bullets in the 200gr range...a 1 in 12" twist at .308 velocities isn't meant for much above 168gr projectiles. That said, the .308 only loses around 100ft/sec and around 95 ft-lbs to the 06 when similar loadings are compared so the real world difference is small. Like Preach mentioned there is always a trade off.

The .270 is a very capable cartridge and I've killed many deer with one but its limitations are bullet weight as most factory loadings only go up to or slightly higher than 150gr. With elk size animals many hunters look for something with more frontal size and energy even though the .270 is a fairly fast cartridge...again a trade off that must be weighed by the hunter.

All in all, with good modern ammo the .308 is a more than capable deer round and a very capable elk round but the 06 is considered to be a bit more versatile due to larger case capacity and the ability to throw heavier projectiles.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Sandman3400 » Mon Oct 17, 2011 9:26 am

Either will do the job. Not much advantage for either with deer, as both are more than adequate. .30-06 is better for elk, as it gives better performance with heavier loads (180 grain bullets and up).

The .30-06 is the most versatile cartridge on earth IMO. You can get factory ammo from 55gr to 220 gr, and can handload 250 gr bullets.

Any accuracy difference between the two is not enough to make any difference while hunting.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:59 pm

Does Reminton still make the 55gr accelerators??
I never see them on the shelves any more........................

30-06 @ 4,000+ fps !!
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby ajmorell » Tue Oct 18, 2011 7:35 am

Sagebrush wrote:Does Reminton still make the 55gr accelerators??
I never see them on the shelves any more........................


I've never seen them. I don't see them doing anything a 110 grain Sierra TNT won't and I'm willing to bet the the Sierra's shoot better
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Sandman3400 » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:53 pm

http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/220009 ... -box-of-20

Here they are. I have never actually shot them, as I have smaller rifles if I want to varmint hunt, but they are available. Just not cheap.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Oct 23, 2011 11:26 pm

aj;

+1 on the standard 110j being, probably more accurate than a 55gr bullet going down a 30 cal barrel with just
a peice of hard plastic ,holding it in place........

but it might do for any one with a 308 or 'o6 that might want to take a yote at 100 yards.........well,try, anyway.

I do know of a rancher here in Nevada that did take a small buck with this load,though, but he never told me that he
tried it on a 2nd deer,for what it is worth.

I took one, Nevada 3x4 buck with a 60gr nosler ,22-250 with a single lung shot.............notice that I said ONE.
I just think there are much better calibers and bigger bullets,for this job.

Tomkat;
My last deer was shot at 180 yards was with a 270 140gr at 2710mv and it dropped him in his tracks.
the 270 and 30-06 are both great deer loads..............and now Remington has reduced recoil loads for both !!
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby TomKat » Mon Oct 24, 2011 6:19 am

I have shot the accelator loads in a .308

At very long ranges, the .270 is a bit flatter shooting, but most of us will never use it in that fashion. They both will do the job on deers.

As for recoil, reduced or otherwise, I have never known either caliber to be much of a kicker.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby apexhunter » Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:26 pm

I totally agree w/ Sage and TomKat. The true efficiency and accuracy of a 110g full diameter projectile would be inherently more accurate than a sabot enclosed smaller bullet for a long range critter getter. And as far as recoil goes there is a perceivable difference between an 06 and a .270 but it isn't much. Historically most factory 06 loads were pretty mild as manufacturers didn't know if somebody was shooting a brand new rifle or a decades old military surplus piece...so they were loaded to lower pressures and velocities (hence- lower recoil).

For years the addage was while a .270 was a faster round (same cartridge capacity for a lighter & smaller bullet naturally gives you more velocity) the recoil was more "snappy" compared to a "slower shove" of an 06. But with modern ammo made for modern guns with faster burning powders they are on pretty much equal footing when throwing bullets of the same weight. Along the same lines of simple physics, a .308 will have less recoil than an 06 but with the .308 rifles typically being lighter due to the shorter action the difference is small...and none of the 3 mentioned are shoulder busters unless one shoots a super light rifle with hot loads behind a heavy-for-caliber projectile.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:17 pm

With the new data and powders, every year, the bullets get faster and faster. Hodgdon has taken a really big step in bullet improvement and powders, for example the 160gr 30-30 bullet with lever revolution powder will drop big deer at 200 yards all day long,with the old model 94.

Recoil also goes with the lighter "Sporter rifles" of today vs the old heavy weight rifles that our fathers used.
The 30-40 Krag 180gr fac was 2288 and is now 2430fps . The 30-06 and 270 can hardly stabilize a bullet at these velositys,
however I do have one 30-06 165gr load at 2530fps that will put 4 in a .55" group at 100 yards and a load in my 270 win
with a 130bt at 2600 that puts 4 into .61" at 100 yards; both c/o imr 4831.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby ajmorell » Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:46 am

I'd have to look to see what my 'pet' 30-06 load is running velocity wise but I'm sure it's more than 2500fps (I think it's in the 2700fps range). The load is a 165grain Speer SPBT over a 49 grain charge of 4064.
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Re: .30-06 vs .308

Postby Sagebrush » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:39 pm

My maximum 165gr 30-06 load is 57grs imr 4350 with a cci250 mag primer at 2750fps @ 10ft and 44 degree weather.
the 500 yard 1030 ft/lb target load of 55grs of imr 4831,a cci250 primer chronys out at 2530fps on that same 44* day,and
will put 5 rounds in .89 inch at 100 yards, with my rifle.
Max 4064 load for me was 48grs with a cci250 mag primer 4@ .87 at 100 yards 7/23/00.

M-1 grand 150gr target load 50gr H380 cci250 4 @ .80
52.5gr of 4320 , cci 200 gave me 4 @ .43 back in July 1983
58 imr 4350 is my fac dup load for the Rem 150 cor-lok .....9/27/09 3 @ .38 at 100 yards, worst 4 @ 1.05.


Target 180gr is 51grs of imr 4350 with a win primer that will put 4 under an inch at 100 yards..............with either
54grs of 4350 or H414 for my max/acc hunting loads. Data has these at factory pressures, so work.

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had the winning raffel ticket for the final prize for the day.................
a brand new ,out of the box, Remington 30-06 with 3-9x scope !!
Guess he does not need a 308,now...............
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