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load test results

Postby widgeon1 » Thu Jul 13, 2006 9:46 am

Well after playing around with almost a dozen load combos for ducks and geese these are what I will use this year. I think I am in there, but for the salty guys like Sage/C12/Pennsyhunter who have given me great advice feel free to critique......and anyone else for that matter. All loads are handloads. Shot at 25 and 50 yds ( I know thats not the norm in pattening, but thats what I am limited to at the range) pellet %/count w/i 30 " circle.

Gun: Franchi Rennasance O/U
Choked: IC @ 25 yds/IM @ 50yds

Load 25 yds 50 yds Usage

Rem STS 2 3/4" 82% (176 hits) N/A Ducks
Sam 1 + (2) 1/8" felt w/i 35 yds
36 gr Alliant Steel
7/8 #5 Steel
1675 fps


Win AA 86%(161 hits) 67% (125) Ducks
Sam 1 w/i 50 yds
35 gr Alliant Steel
1 oz #4 Steel
1550 fps

Fed GM 2 3/4" 86%(141 hits) 50%(76 hits) Cold wx
Sam 1 + (1) 1/8" felt Ducks
37 gr Alliant Steel
1 oz #3 Steel
1575 fps

Fed GM 86%(105 hits) 61%(74 hits) Geese
Sam 1 w/i 50 yds
34 gr Alliant Steel
1 1/8 oz #1 Steel
1475 fps

Ched 28 ga 2 3/4" 87%(168 hits) 56%(115 hits) Early Duck
HV28 w/i 40 yds
H110
7/8 oz #6 Bismuth
1300 fps

Other shells patterned with less % or uneven patterns. Had one shell that consistently patterned @ 74% @ 50 yards but very uneven distribution with lots of holes in the pattern so it was scrapped. Anyways, just wanted to share some results with ya all!

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Postby Citori12 » Thu Jul 13, 2006 7:12 pm

Ok good!!!!!!!!! you got started....86% patterns is good if you want to knock down birds at 50-60 yards.....but you did notice something in your patterns. that was distribution....steel patterns really really pattern poorly...bridging and holes in the pattern are common issues regardless of the percentage...I have always hated percentages because...its easy to say that 50% of americans think that a certain person should be president..but that rarely speaks for the common man. same holds true with patterning..look for even distribution, no holes, no bridging..and if its tight patterns you desire there you go...I like my 40 yard patterns to be closer to 60-70% depending on the load and choke... I want a larger margin of error in my shotgun shooting. For pheasant, dove and quail its strangley different but I still shoot more open chokes...Good going hope your summer patterning gets the results you desire!!!!
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Postby widgeon1 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:13 am

Thanks for the feedback C12,
I know my numbers are kind of hard to decipher....didnt come out like I thought I wrote it up. The %s were supposed to line up under the 25 yd and 50 yd column and the bird and range I plan to use the shell on were supposed to line up under the usage column. Instead the max yardage I plan to use the shell for came out beside the wad type. Damn computers!
Anyway, I agree on the distribution over the %. Note all the 80+ %s were at the 25 yd mark. I would like closer to 65% at 40 yds too, but I am guessing that if I am getting 50-60% at 50yds(because I am forced to shoot there due to range setup/rules) that these loads would probably pattern 60-65% at the 40 yd mark. Just an assumption and I know what assuming makes me! Besides the %s though, I do weigh in heavily on the distribution of the overall pellet count within the circle and all of these loads patterned consistently even. Went as far as dividing the circle up into quarters and the pellet counts were within 10 in each quarter. Same as the upper/lower half and left/right half. Also I figure a minimum of 80 pellets for a duck and 60 for a goose. With all that in mind, I think I have good workable loads for 40 yards which is approaching my max range anyway
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Postby Citori12 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:19 am

:thumbsup: Shotgun patterns have been subject of many books. I use the rule of thumb that 5 pellet hits on a bird is sufficient. If you place a average size canada goose on a 30" circle your gonna soon find out that a goose is much larger than the 30" circle. Only his body will use up some of the 30" space. A mallard duck is slightly smaller than a 30" circle. so I always transpose real outlines of birds I have shot to determine if the pattern will cover a bird vs a 30" circle. Just for grins.
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Postby widgeon1 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:26 am

Good gouge. Maybe I will try that. Hopefully by sketch work is better than my computer skills :oops:
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Postby Citori12 » Fri Jul 14, 2006 7:22 am

Many moons ago I saw an article of one man who traced real bird outlines to place them in a pattern. I traced some birds I shot and tried the same. I realized why some folks could whack geese down at long range. Its still a matter of luck to shoot past 60 yards but a canada goose is pretty large and if one pellet whacks a wing, neck or head they fall like a ton of bricks. I am not advocating long range shooting but once I started looking at a 30" circle as just a circle but placing life sized siloutettes in the picture patterning for the game bird I was hunting came a little clearer. Sectioning off your pattern sheet in 1" squares also gives you pattern distribution results. I prefer my patterns to be evenly distributed throughout the paper. Steel is tough to do this with but its achievable. I have come down to certain pattern charateristics that work well for me. with your experimentation I think you will discover the same thing...good luck...on my out the door to fine tune my big rifles. C12
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Postby Sagebrush » Thu Jul 20, 2006 11:39 am

Finally got er done heh!

Looks like you were looking over my shoulder !

I really like the winAA 1oz load for under 45 yard shoots!

The 1 1/8oz Gold Medal is my go to load for big birds or max. range.

I think the 7/8oz Rem should be changed to 1oz or 1 1/8oz.
7/8oz is great for dove or upland at 1675fps , but a little light on
the pattern & pellet count, case you need to go out to 45 yards.
Not all birds will come over inside of 30 yards. :hammering: :hammering: :hammering: :hammering:

Plus three different color hulls mean 3 different loads !!

Just incase you get them mixed up , right? :laughing: :laughing:

Good hunting Sage
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Postby Citori12 » Thu Jul 20, 2006 5:41 pm

If I am patterning target loads I want to make sure a clay target does not fly through any holes..but then they have 90mm ones now...so its more difficult
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Postby Sagebrush » Thu Jul 20, 2006 8:13 pm

C12;

When I shoot those 90mm clays , I just

put my bi-focals on !! :laughing: :laughing:

It's hell when you get old !

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Postby Citori12 » Fri Jul 21, 2006 6:34 pm

:withstupid: damned bifocals!
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