TomKat wrote: TBS wrote: radfordc wrote:
TBS wrote: It seems these days everybody has a mudmotor, boat, and/or layout.
I have a boat/mud motor, but I use it to get away from other hunters. Compared to when I could only walk into marshes, I can now get to out of the way spots that don't see a lot of pressure. If the marsh is crowded I go to the lake...if the lake is busy I go to the river....if the river is crowded...wait a minute, the river is never crowded
I hate to differ, but.........
If you've hunted the Kansas River anywhere east of Manhattan during the late season, I know you've come across other hunters. Last time we hunted there we were 1 of 4 groups along less than a mile stretch.
If you are hunting any other river, then you are hunting private land and that is the only thing left that goes unmolested.....enjoy it while it lasts, because sooner or later someone with deeper pockets will lease it out from under you.
What a terrible picture of gloom you paint. I have hunted the river for 5 years straight and never seen a single hunter not in my party.
TBS, your solution is to start hunting in Canada, away from all other humans.
I find it amazing that you have not come across another hunter on the Kansas River in 5 years! Its been a couple years since I've hunted it due to multiple reasons, but the last time we were there, we had to deal with college kids up river and down river trying to see who could skybust the highest flock of geese.
I'm not trying to paint a picture of gloom.....just hopefully bring some awareness to those who think "everything is fine." Those of you who hunt public will soon learn as I have that over-pressure creates a decline in quality opportunities. If it hasn't happned yet, then just wait, It eventually will. Just like Sylvan posted, we've had it pretty good for many years, but now things are changing. We can't rightfully claim public property as our own, but we sure can oppose KDWP$T policies and agencies that seek to stab residents who are forced to compete for access in the back. The case I'm trying to make is that KS should "manage" its resources, not "pimp" them to the highest bidder. States like North and South Dakota have set models that maintain quality opportunities for both resident and non-resident hunters. They set limits on the number of non-resident permits they sell, but charge a price for non-resident licenses that generates 3X the revenue KS sales do. Kansas basically gives them away. Despite having millions more pheasants than KS ever has, SD set the limit at 3 birds per day, and end LST in the early afternoon. KS policies have little to no consideration for the resource. They only serve to sell more licenses and tags in an attempt to generate more revenue. In some counties, the whitetail deer herd is becoming genetically extinct. Too many young bucks are being taken by antler hunters and not enough does are being taken to offset the trend.......but KS keeps selling those tags OTC to get more hunters in KS. Internet reports for waterfowl are outrageously over-estimated in attempts to bring folks here.....just last season I spoke with a group of 4 guys that drove from S. Carolina because the saw on the internet that a particular area had 50K mallards! Boy were they PO'd to get there and find out it was a lie. I'm not anti-OOSer. Not the least bit. What I am concerned about is KS's abuse of wildlife resources that if continued and marketed agressively may eventually destroy what we once had.
Like I said before, I'm out there 70 days per season and keep a daily journal/log. I can tell you the competition on public wetlands has EXPLODED in the past 3 years. If you think I'm just blowing smoke, then so be it. But don't be surprised one day when we say, "I told you so."
If anyone is interested, a few of us have started working on a Kansas Sportsman's Association designed to unite resident huters of all types in an attempt to create a voice in Topeka that helps to promote the interests of resident hunters. Currently, the only lobby in Topeka is the business lobby that focus' on the sale of KS outdoor resources without much consideration for those of us who live here.
IF I AGREED WITH YOU, WE'D BOTH BE WRONG.