Owners of Remington SP-10, I need help and photos PLEASE

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Owners of Remington SP-10, I need help and photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 5:28 am

Dear owners of Remington SP-10. Please make photos of trigger assembly, breaching bolt and inside the receiver. Or maybe full disassembling.
Two years ago I bought broken SP-10 and try to repair it. Sometimes it shoots good, sometimes it is like one barrel break-down.
So I need photos more than I found in google.
Unfortunately it is not Rem 870 and I have no way to buy new spare parts.
Thanks a lot
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby waterfowlhunter » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:24 am

Almost any part you could need is available here http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/Remington-33454/Shotguns-37896/SP10-41225.htm you can also find the complete break-down and schematics for the SP10. or on Gunbroker at various times as people list them.

I have one 2 I can take pictures for you but what is is doing? bolt not cycling? rounds not droping out of magazine tube onto the carrier? The bolt not closing after opening/ejecting the empty? Have you replaced the magazine tube spring and the action spring yet? good place to start. Brownells also has SP10 parts
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:58 am

Hello!
I saw this link at gunpartscorp.com, but there is no trigger assembly here.

I bought it in November 2010 as broken from heirs of the owner. So I have no way to ask owner, cause he is dead. Heirs said, that
overdoses of powder killed the shotgun and owner tried to repair it himself.
Bolt was seized up in back position, trigger assembly was crumpled. Bolt has traces of welding, guide inside the receiver was welded too.
I bought all missed or broken small parts on Midway and Brownells and just fixed it, using scheme from Owners Manual. Trigger assembly was reprofiled with file. Now shotgun works, I may open and close the bolt pressing the button and make one shoot. Reloading doesn't work well. Sometimes ammo can't reach out from magazine tube and stops on the carrier, sometimes all 3 ammo shoot good. I looked photos from google and found small differences in carrier position.
Also I don't know how wrong or right I reprofiled guides inside the receiver.
And also to make my shotgun work satisfactorily, I removed from trigger assembly the part which prohibits to fire with open bolt.

At home in a few hours I'll attach photos.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby waterfowlhunter » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:06 am

Honestly, It sounds like you have a lot of spare parts that you could use on another gun. If someone welded on the bolt or on any stress handling parts It is probably not safe anyway as they have removed the temper from the parts. I can post pictures of the trigger assembly for you but it might not do you any good. I wil lpost them on 1/4" graph paper to give you something to measure off.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby waterfowlhunter » Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:19 am

you should be able to click on the picture and enlarge it, just hit the back button to return to the post.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:58 am

Barrel and bolt
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It is bolt, you may see welding and then profiling by file
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It is bolt, you may see welding and then profiling by file
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It is a barrel, no problem with it
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:10 am

This is Trigger Assembly.
If I compare it with yours, I see, that my carrier is lower (see next post)
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:14 am

This is trigger assembly with opened and closed bolt.
I compare closed bolt photo with gunbroker photo, my carrier is lower. The bolt is opened, my carrier is on the same place, that on gunbroker.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:16 am

Left and right sides of receiver. You may see traces on coating. It is traces of welding from inside.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:19 am

And the last one, the most important photo - receiver inside.
It is filed using Dremmel in my opinion how must it works. I would like to see this photo from good, not broken SP-10.
When I bought SP-10, the guide shown on photo was much bigger, it has been filed apr. 2/3 height and 1/4 of lenght.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby waterfowlhunter » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:22 am

it looks to me like you have a "parts" gun. What is with the welding inside the receiver? and that bolt does not look anything like mine from the pictures you posted. The locking lug has been modified.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:26 am

About safety. I shoot apr. 60 self-made (no 10Ga in Russia) shots after repairing.
Remington case, russian standard primer, 3 grams of powder, paper or wood wad (to evade spare volume), Remington 46 gr plastic container, 50 gr of shot, rolling.
3 grams of russian powder is the high limit for safe 12Ga magnum, so I think it is enough for 10Ga magnum. I see no changes in shotgun, so I think I is quite safe.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:31 am

waterfowlhunter wrote:it looks to me like you have a "parts" gun. What is with the welding inside the receiver? and that bolt does not look anything like mine from the pictures you posted. The locking lug has been modified.


I think, I can't have gun assembled from other parts from 2 or more guns. In Russia barrel, bolt and receiver must be sold only together with one license. I can't legally change bolt to my friend's bolt or buy it in shop. Also, there is few SP-10 in Russia, I don't know and never heard any one another SP-10 in Russia.
This is my SP-10 assembled.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:36 am

waterfowlhunter wrote:What is with the welding inside the receiver? .

See photo few upper. As I understand, it was cut off then damaged and then welded on repair.

waterfowlhunter wrote:and that bolt does not look anything like mine from the pictures you posted. The locking lug has been modified

See attached photo found on your forum, the bolt is rather similar
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby waterfowlhunter » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:26 am

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It could just be the picture but my bolt does not look like this at the locking lug, Looks like some material was added and then ground down.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:36 am

Yes, there is a step, I think it is the result of repairing. But the bolt works good, main problem is in trigger mechanism and inside the receiver.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:45 am

We analyzed this photo and suspected that this one guide is flat. Is it correct? On my SP-10 it is not flat, but solid. It is the problem
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:58 am

On left it is how it must be. Guide is flat and high. It stops disconnecter himself.

On right is mine repaired. Guide is solid, but not high, disconnecter lies upon the guide.

Schematic picture attached. Am I right?
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby waterfowlhunter » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:13 am

I will look at one of mine again later today.
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:15 pm

Also if you can, please make photo like this without carrier
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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby waterfowlhunter » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:42 pm

Hope this helps some more.

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Postby waterfowlhunter » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:43 pm

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Re: Owners of Remington SP-10, I need photos PLEASE

Postby Petr Russia » Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:56 am

Thank you very much!!!!!
Let's try to finally repair now :)))
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