Why start a "discussion" thread if all you're going to do is bash the gun/brand in the first place. That's not a discussion, it a which hunt. FWIW, I sold the things for almost 10 years. In that time, we sold more SBE II's than ANY retailer within 150 miles of my store. Know how many came back with issues? 2. That's TWO guns that had an actual problem that couldn't be fixed by the owner by NOT over lubricating the gun or messing with the bolt or not mounting the gun tight to their shoulders when they were firing light loads. those issues were fixed by the factory at zero cost to the owner. Know how many 11-87's I had to send back to remmington to get fixed in that same time period? AT LEAST 30. I remember when the SX 2 came out. I sold quite a few of them. Felt great to the shoulder, recoiled soft, and had to be cleaned about every 125 rounds of waterfowl ammo or it became a single shot. Gas guns certainly shoot soft. No contest there. Win over inertia guns every time there, but by how much? 10...15% at most? If you can't handle the sharp, snapping recoil of a 12 gauge high velocuty waterfowl load in an inertial driven gun, then I don't know what to tell you. I have owned Remmy's, Mossbergs, Beretta's, Winchesters and Benelli's. I liked and disliked them all in one fashion or another. Having been on the retail end of things, I saw more than just opinion and congecture when it comes to what you haters think and what the koolaide drinkers think. I have seen just what makes a gun a good piece and what makes a gun a piece of crap. I still own a few brands of shotguns, but you know which one comes out into the field with me virtually every time...rain or shine, snow, rain or ice? My SBEII because it fits me extremely well, I shoot it almost like it's part of me and it really does go BANG every single time I pull the trigger. One...ONE malfunction in 5 years and that was my fault for not following my own mantra with the gun and over lubing it when we were hunting in single digit, driving snow and ice. I took it apart in the field, wiped the excess lube out of it and it never burped again. Guys will hate what they hate and guys will love what they love. Is the SBE II the "benchmark" gun to which all others should be compared. Yes and of course no. It was the first trully streamlined inertial driven gun to hit the market and I'm sorry but the original A-5 is one ugly gun imo. That's just me though. Would I own one and shoot one? Hell yes I would! I have fired a couple hundred rounds through one and my uncle's A-5 Mag just plain works. Is the SBE II perfect? I would say no. There is always something that can be improved on ANY gun. If you think otherwise you are a fool. The trigger on the SBE II is nothing short of horrendous. The recoil pad NEEDS to be redesigned and the forearm just should not have as much play in it as it does. Are those deal breakers for me? Nope. It shoots where point it every time I pull the trigger. Works for me.
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