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Re: 20 gauge

Postby mudpack » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:46 pm

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If the 20 was as efficient at killing birds, you'd see at least as many 20's as 12's on the trap line at the Grand. But you don't. You see zero 20 gauge guns. There is a reason
This is a different situation. This is a competition and a single miss is the difference between a win and a loss. But 1 or 2 less birds is not going to break a season.

Different situation, but the same gauges.
You are correct, those guys cannot tolerate a single miss. That's why they use 12's and not 20's. Your statement verifies what some of us have been saying: you'll kill more birds with a 12 than you will with a 20.....even if it's 1 or 2 more a season or 1 or 2 more a week, or one or two more every time you go out.
Some of you may be willing to give up several birds. I like to think that I stand a better-than-average chance of bringing down every bird I shoot at, even if it's 40 yards out. That's why I shoot a 12.
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby cootlover » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:25 pm

F.Y.I international trap like they shoot in the Olympics shoot 7/8 oz loads The same amount I use in my 20 gauge . :huh: And international targets are made harder so they can be thrown over 90mph vs ATA GRAND nationals trap at 40- 55 mph and 1 1/8 oz loads so I guess the good shooters need only 7/8 loads :thumbsup:
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:59 pm

They would if they were shooting TSS and in a 28 ga too !!!
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby mudpack » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:41 am

cootlover wrote:F.Y.I international trap like they shoot in the Olympics shoot 7/8 oz loads The same amount I use in my 20 gauge . :huh: And international targets are made harder so they can be thrown over 90mph vs ATA GRAND nationals trap at 40- 55 mph and 1 1/8 oz loads so I guess the good shooters need only 7/8 loads :thumbsup:


Possibly. But you and I and the others on here are not Olympic-class shooters.

They use 7/8oz loads because that's all they're allowed to use. And those loads are ALWAYS shot from a 12 ga. This is even more evidence that the 12ga is superior even when shooting light payloads that a 20ga can shoot. One more bit of evidence for the superiority of the 12, as a gauge, not just from a payload standpoint....?

A good shooter, taking only <35 yard shots on ducks should kill as many birds with his 20ga as he will with his 12ga.
Lengthen that to 40+ yard shots, or make it an average shooter, and said shooter needs the pattern density/uniformity that only the larger gauge can provide.
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:44 am

mudpack wrote:
cootlover wrote:F.Y.I international trap like they shoot in the Olympics shoot 7/8 oz loads The same amount I use in my 20 gauge . :huh: And international targets are made harder so they can be thrown over 90mph vs ATA GRAND nationals trap at 40- 55 mph and 1 1/8 oz loads so I guess the good shooters need only 7/8 loads :thumbsup:


Possibly. But you and I and the others on here are not Olympic-class shooters.

They use 7/8oz loads because that's all they're allowed to use. And those loads are ALWAYS shot from a 12 ga. This is even more evidence that the 12ga is superior even when shooting light payloads that a 20ga can shoot. One more bit of evidence for the superiority of the 12?

A good shooter, taking only <35 yard shots on ducks will probably kill as many birds with his 20ga as he will with his 12ga.
Lengthen that to 40+ yard shots, or make it an average shooter, and said shooter needs the pattern density/uniformity that only the larger gauge can provide.



Unless he is shooting TSS,
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby trowlan1 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:07 am

Is this thread still going.......Holy Crap
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby jehler » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:09 am

trowlan1 wrote:Is this thread still going.......Holy Crap

Yes, mudpack just can't compensate enough, poor little fella
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby trowlan1 » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:12 am

jehler wrote:
trowlan1 wrote:Is this thread still going.......Holy Crap

Yes, mudpack just can't compensate enough, poor little fella


Only thing that get's me, is I think only about 3 people in the whole thread are arguing for or against the same thing.......
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby cootlover » Sat Apr 27, 2013 4:21 pm

I am right your wrong I was right all along :hi: p
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby Glimmerjim » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:03 pm

trowlan1 wrote:
jehler wrote:
trowlan1 wrote:Is this thread still going.......Holy Crap

Yes, mudpack just can't compensate enough, poor little fella


Only thing that get's me, is I think only about 3 people in the whole thread are arguing for or against the same thing.......

This isn't about whether a 20 pack is better than a 12 pack?
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby 3200 man » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:06 pm

Coot ,

From the looks of things , you haven't been right for a long time ! But don't worry , Jehner hits and misses even out of
that luxury smoke filled blind , I think ? I've been known to have mud in my eye , when I'm wrong or miss !
20 pack ? Yes a 20 packs a lot of punch ! But , most of the time a 12 will do the job .

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Re: 20 gauge

Postby ks_waterfowler » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:34 pm

Why don't you guys meet in an Academy parking lot and just compare schlongs. Save the rest of us some time. I have Amazon prime so I can have a ruler sent to your house in 2 business days so you can let us know how you measure up.
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby hamernhonkers » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:40 pm

ks_waterfowler wrote:I have Amazon prime so I can have a ruler sent to your house in 2 business days so you can let us know how you measure up.



Can you send me a short ruler?

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Re: 20 gauge

Postby hamernhonkers » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:41 pm

cootlover wrote:I am right your wrong I was right all along :hi: p


I can still out shoot you right or wrong! ;p

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Re: 20 gauge

Postby VincentCorrea » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:06 am

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jehler wrote:the only reason i spoke up on this thread at all is because every season i see guys at gander with their kids before duck season looking at shotguns, most have this attitude that they have to get the kid a 12 and the poor little shitkickers stand there trying to swing a mossberg 500 or 870 "youth addition" that still has to much pull. You can bet your ass they are going to develop a flinch when dad buys them the 1450 or better 1 1/4 ounce shotshells. lot of guys lurk here for input and if I can get through to a few of them that a light 20 fitted to their kid with some lighter loads will still kill birds more efficiently than a gun that's to big i get a warm fuzzy inside.


Especially if they use 7/8 oz # 9 TSS at 1250 fps they will probably outshoot their fathers with their 3-1/2" super mags with anything including T shot !!!!
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby VincentCorrea » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:18 am

lostknife4 wrote:
mudpack wrote:
cootlover wrote:F.Y.I international trap like they shoot in the Olympics shoot 7/8 oz loads The same amount I use in my 20 gauge . :huh: And international targets are made harder so they can be thrown over 90mph vs ATA GRAND nationals trap at 40- 55 mph and 1 1/8 oz loads so I guess the good shooters need only 7/8 loads :thumbsup:


Possibly. But you and I and the others on here are not Olympic-class shooters.

They use 7/8oz loads because that's all they're allowed to use. And those loads are ALWAYS shot from a 12 ga. This is even more evidence that the 12ga is superior even when shooting light payloads that a 20ga can shoot. One more bit of evidence for the superiority of the 12?

A good shooter, taking only <35 yard shots on ducks will probably kill as many birds with his 20ga as he will with his 12ga.
Lengthen that to 40+ yard shots, or make it an average shooter, and said shooter needs the pattern density/uniformity that only the larger gauge can provide.



Unless he is shooting TSS,
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby VincentCorrea » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:22 am

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Damn man! That boat is insane. :beer:
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby trowlan1 » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:01 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:
trowlan1 wrote:
jehler wrote:
trowlan1 wrote:Is this thread still going.......Holy Crap

Yes, mudpack just can't compensate enough, poor little fella


Only thing that get's me, is I think only about 3 people in the whole thread are arguing for or against the same thing.......

This isn't about whether a 20 pack is better than a 12 pack?


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Re: 20 gauge

Postby mudpack » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:24 am

lostknife4 wrote:Unless he is shooting TSS,Lost


Makes no difference. 1 1/2oz. of TSS out of a 12ga will be superior to 1oz. of TSS out of a 20ga.

It's all about payload, guys. It's not about muzzle velocity. It's not about gun weight. It's all about payload.
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby jehler » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:26 am

Nope
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:37 am

X^2
It's about pattern density and energy. TSS needs very little choke to maintain a sufficient pattern density and therefore requires a minimum of shot pellets to accomplish that requirement. All the rest is overkill.
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby lostknife4 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 6:43 am

mudpack wrote:
lostknife4 wrote:Unless he is shooting TSS,Lost


Makes no difference. 1 1/2oz. of TSS out of a 12ga will be superior to 1oz. of TSS out of a 20ga.

It's all about payload, guys. It's not about muzzle velocity. It's not about gun weight. It's all about payload.


You have taken this out of context Mud:
"....... and said shooter needs the pattern density/uniformity that only the larger gauge can provide.

(My answer was:)

Unless he is shooting TSS,
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You see it isn't about payload, it IS about pattern density albeit there has to be sufficient ED to accomplish the task at hand. A larger gauge and/or payload isn't necessarily the answer.
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby Jon Bergren » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:09 pm

From a practical standpoint a 20 gage will kill as far as a 12 gage with steel 4's and 3's only 2 yards diff between a 20 and 12. With steel B's and BB's 4 yds diff. The chart is based on 600fps being the min velocity to penetrate to kill.

-----1700 fps----1550 fps
4----50+ yds-----48+ yds
3----53+ yds-----51+ yds
1----62 yds-------59 yds
B----66 yds-------62+ yds
BB---70+ yds-----66 yds

You can see from the chart that you can easily kill geese to 55 yds with a 20 gage load. I personally shoot 7/8 oz loads in my 12 gages, (20 gage loads) on ducks and geese. Ballistically you can see that the 12 gage kills further. Of course Losts TSS loads can not be beat except for price. I also was raised on a SxS 20 gage and killed my share of ducks when the old timers were shooting 12 gage A5, 97, and Mod 11. Lead 5's did the job. Jon
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby jehler » Mon Apr 29, 2013 4:13 pm

Does the 600 fps rule work on ostrich as well as ducks and geese?
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Re: 20 gauge

Postby Jon Bergren » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:03 pm

jehler wrote:Does the 600 fps rule work on ostrich as well as ducks and geese?

Absiutely, just concentrate on that long neck and you got 'em. Flying elephants, you just put holes in their ears. Jon
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