tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

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tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby Sagebrush » Fri May 31, 2013 5:40 pm

I have a 7/8oz light practice load with 16.5grs or Red Dot but wanted to see what a load of Bullseye would do
with the cb 078 wad.

Loaded up five Rem Gun Clubs with a win 209 primer, and a mec #21 gave me 17grs of Bullseye powder in the
old mec Jr. Fired the 20 Red Dot loads the next four stations.

Bullseye felt like 1160fps with a little more recoil than the 1150fps chrony RD loads but still broke 25 clays at the 16 yd line.
I will load these again.

Next up was a 1oz load with a w209, cb1100 wad #8's a and 18.7 grs of Green Dot with a Rem sts (Gold)...................
This load did break the birds and felt about 1180fps but even though I broke 25 birds at the 16 yd line I will not be loading this load again.
When I looked down the O/U barrel , it was full of powder flakes all over the place !! I can't ever remember a barrel this dirty in all my testing. Even 17.9grs GD with 1 1/8oz at 1145fps burns cleaner............. At least I know better to use it in light payloads from now on.

Next Trap shoot is on June 15th at Sage Hills.

Good breaks to all.....................

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby War Wagon » Sat Jun 01, 2013 6:52 am

I like the 7/8oz load only for the first shot in doubles. I put 9's in them, and with the light recol that a 7/8oz load gives me in my o/u I can recover better for the second shot. I'm all for saving some lead costs but in shooting 16's the 1oz is as low as I will go.
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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby 3200 man » Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:36 pm

What a Shame Sage Hill will be gone at the end of August ! I will be there a few times before then , I hope !

Sorry Sage , but with Carson and China Springs not to far away , not all is lost ?

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby waterfowlhunter » Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:58 am

Sagebrush wrote:Bullseye felt like 1160fps with a little more recoil than the 1150fps chrony RD loads. //// felt about 1180fps
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I can not tell a difference in felt recoil from 1150 to 1200fps loads, No way I could tell you the one load felt like 1150 as compared to 1160 :bow:
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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Jun 02, 2013 8:26 am

That fps was a "Guestament" for sure.......... but if my loads work out I then will take the time to
drag out the chrony and see what the loads is really doing.

I remember one load at the 25 yard line where I missed three birds and when I put that load of 1 1/8oz with
18.3 grs of Green Dot across the screen I got a whopping, 1128 fps !!

Yes, I too hope the trap club stays open. I have way too much crap to load up and get rid of some how.
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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby 3200 man » Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:19 am

Sage

You know , if that 18.3 grs was Red Dot or 700 X it would have been a different story !

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Jun 02, 2013 5:27 pm

Yes sir !!

It would have been a different story with just 18.2 grs of Red Dot !! :thumbsup:
Been there done that, for my HDCP mag. #8 loads. 1205fps at my altitude.............

Bottom Full choke at 25 yards should give a score of 25 if I don't day dream.

Last test is a Peters BM, w209,fig8 style wad with 21grs of Unique.............
just to see if this load with 7 1/2's hits any harder than my 19.5gr Green Dot HDCP, STS load.

Sort of a bummer when you have a Rem STS load, two Peters Blue Magic loads and a
Federal Gold Medal load that all kick butt and you are trying to figure which one to load for
your HDCP competition loads.

All four loads use different wads due to powder volume in each hull, for a perfect crimp.
I will get er ironed out here shortly.......getting hot though, 89 degrees today and 92's ahead.
Floppy hat and sun screen time.
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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby 3200 man » Sun Jun 02, 2013 6:49 pm

Sage

You are a Man of perfection , with all the trial and let's see if your gun likes it loads . Why can't I be like that ? with 45 years
of shooting clay targets , I'm still loading 700 X and on occasion Red Dot .

Thanks for sharing , we all are learning from you !

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Jun 02, 2013 7:57 pm

3200;
So what hulls, wads and primers work out for you with a 16 yard and HDCP load with that 700x powder ?

I used that powder way back when fire was invented.........

Powders are powders, just that some seem to work better for you than others and you say to heck
with it and this is good enough for me and my style of shooting, so this is where it ends............

By the way, after three years of testing and shooting Alliant's e3 powder, even though it is very clean, I
will let it fade into the past with other powders that I have tested. It is a good powder and you use LESS than
Red Dot for the same fps just that it really never hit a 100% feed back on my loads and breaks, over all.
Plus it is not listed data wise for the 38 special, another strike against it.
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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby 3200 man » Mon Jun 03, 2013 7:23 am

Well , I shoot new shells for competition ( save the hulls ) and reload them for practice , mostly . With new once fired
Winchesters Super HC's , I like 17 grs under 1 oz loads and 18.3 in my 1 1/8 oz HC loads . Now , if the wind is blowing or
temp's are under 45 degrees , I go with 19 grs of powder in the 1 1/8 oz load .My wad of choice is a CB 1100 or 1118 .

With what's going on in the shell market these days , I've been shooting more reloads and buying less new shells and my
averages haven't changed one bit as long as I'm loading good hard shot .

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:42 am

Those 700x powder weights are the very same that I use wit Red Dot !!
Must be the "Copy cat powder" from the other powder company.........
They all have the "Same" powder just with a different name or type powder be it flake, ball or extruded.

I also agree with more powder and maybe a F209a primer in cold weather. Learned that one the hard way
on my first trap shoot this year in 32 degree temperatures !!

I shoot mag pellets just because they are almost the same price as chilled and chilled and reclaimed is up
at almost the price of hard shot on some sites!! I am down to my last bag of reclaimed........ bummer. ($20)
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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby waterfowlhunter » Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:27 am

I used a lot of 700x then switched to universal clays and now using american select and winchester HC. In the winter we shoot sporting clays in temps often in the 15 degree range. I have not had any issues with w209's and the powders listed above. They sit in the truck overnight where it gets below zero. Not sure if all my loads being 1-1/8 oz and 1150 to 1250fps effects this or not. I did have issues with both red dot and green dot when it was real cold.

I do like being able to load the same powder in shotgun and pistol.

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby 3200 man » Mon Jun 03, 2013 10:55 am

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According to Tom Roster , your loads would drop 60 to 80 fps at 32 degrees or less . I'm aware of this , as I've have had
this happen with my Duck loads more than target loads . With what Sage is saying , only the chrony will be the proof of the
pudding , as we've foundout . The only thing to change in this condition is , go up one size in pellets !

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby waterfowlhunter » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:06 pm

I know it is possible and I will have to run them thru the chrono this winter and see if they actually do drop off that much but they break the 45-55 yd targets the same in summer and winter. I know my 300WSM does not loose velocity in the below 20 temps I often end up hunting in. I use the "extreme" series of powders in my rifles and I have tested the claims of them basically being "cold proof" they need to make a shotgun powder with the same rating. :thumbsup:
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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby 3200 man » Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:59 pm

WH

I'm not shooting target loads much faster than you from the 27yd line or in sporting clay's and I really don't need them to go
faster . With the patterns I get with this load , it's me not the load that misses !

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Re: tried two new 12Ga. trap loads

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Jun 03, 2013 11:04 pm

1145fps to 1200fps with a 1 1/8th oz. payload is all that I need to take care of business, if I do my part.
I use the 1oz #8 at 1180fps as my second load if I don't think the mag load of pellets is needed, mostly for
sporting clays or 5 stand if not too windy.

Last winter I did notice that in 40 degree weather my 22-250 with a 70gr bullet did drop 60 fps from my
summer readings, with H414 powder...........only 3260 fps.
When hunting big game in cold weather I always have a round inside my vest or jacket in a pocket for my first
shot if there is time to chamber it in my bolt actions, with an empty chamber.
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