Is this Racism? (Part 2)

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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Chilidawg » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:55 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:I am not so sure that Chili understands his posts often do not support his positions very well. The last two are a great example. Thomas did not call it racist and he is not the arbiter of racism anyway.


So he uses the word discrimination instead of racism. Big deal. He's talking about the same thing.



Then toss in the factual quotes Chili posted that are supported by reality.


Your opinion does not make it a fact.

The fact that something is racist in your world view does not make it automatically wrong, or even automatically evil. It just means you personally think it is racist.



From the Oxford Dictionary: "the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races."

I think that that is pretty clear in the Jon Hubbard quotes

Chili, many of America's black citizens are the worst biggots in the nation.


And so that justifies your bigotry?
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Chilidawg » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:57 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
assateague wrote:Both of these seem to be quite factual. They are "racist" in that the determinations are based on race, but that certainly doesn't make them any less true.


^^This^^



Feel free to provide supporting evidence for these so called "facts."
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:38 pm

Chili you may have come a little late to the game and missed the rules. We have already established that weak people with no supporting arguments constantly resort to the racist game. It is a losing game and will not avail you in any way. None of us care one whit if you think we are racist.

Again your presenting your own excerpts as factual then asking others to support your facts? :lol3: Thanks for admitting your factoids are not trustworthy. :thumbsup:
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Glimmerjim » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:35 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:It is 50 / 50 that AT is a racist.

It is 100% that CD will pull out the race card and AT won't care. :fingerhead:

This is by far the most asinine post I have run across in this forum. You are suggesting that the blacks are fortunate having been brought over as slaves and having eventually become equal citizens of this country of freedom. Do your attempts at vindication always override your sense of decency at every level? First, many slaves were treated abominably, no argument for the mentally active. Secondly, this was not a voluntary choice, obviously. Thirdly, let me construct an analogy that perhaps even the most deluded can relate to. Let's assume there is a nation of peoples living in vastly more comfortable conditions than our own at the moment. None of the fears of governmental takeover of rights, none of the fears of economic collapse, etc. Would you, personally, consider yourself as fortunate if that nation was able to come to you, separate you from your family, cast you into a lifetime of abuse and consideration as chattel, if, in 5 generations, you would become assimilated into the populace and enjoy, after a huge, contentious struggle, most of the rights and comforts that the populace does? You would consider that as a blessing? Your children one direction, your wife another to serve as on call mistress to the master, and you to perform menial labor with all the consideration given to oxen? Give me a break. If you contend that it would be advantageous in the long run and that eventually you would consider yourself as blessed for having been given this opportunity you are not men. You are indeed farm animals.
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 10:57 pm

Jim,

You quoted the wrong post or your reading a hell of a lot into the one you quoted. :huh:

I will address your questions anyway. We are not talking about the individuals who were enslaved. We are talking about the real world benefits received by their existing descendants. If you cannot see the benefits and advanced options and lifestyles African Americans live with compared to their average African relatives you are both deluded and particularly foolish. As I mentioned in an earlier part of this thread. I am not discussing the right and wrong of anything. I simply pointed out that the descendants are far better off and live far better lives due to having had their ancestors brought here. You also neatly avoided the discussion on blacks being the main suppliers of slaves here, along with being the first slave owners.

If you are so sure it was such a horrible thing, then I am certain you will support the US fixing that wrong, clearly we must repatriate them to their ancestral lands to right our past wrongs. Liberia or Sierra Leone mean anything to you?
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby slowshooter » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:18 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:Chili you may have come a little late to the game and missed the rules. We have already established that weak people with no supporting arguments constantly resort to the racist game. It is a losing game and will not avail you in any way. None of us care one whit if you think we are racist.

Again your presenting your own excerpts as factual then asking others to support your facts? :lol3: Thanks for admitting your factoids are not trustworthy. :thumbsup:


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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby clampdaddy » Wed Jul 03, 2013 11:49 pm

Definitely not "BOOM!" worthy.
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby slowshooter » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:01 am

He responds to being called a weakling. Because he's weak. :lol3:
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby clampdaddy » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:13 am

No "BOOM!" for you! You are banned! One year, no "BOOM!"!!!!
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby slowshooter » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:22 am

clampdaddy wrote:No "BOOM!" for you! You are banned! One year no "BOOM!"!!!!


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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby assateague » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:34 am

Chilidawg wrote:
assateague wrote:
Chilidawg wrote:Here are some more statements from Arkansas state rep. Jon Hubbard.

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.”

See more at: http://talkbusiness.net/2012/10/rep-jon ... TRjR0.dpuf

Anyone care to argue that that is not racist?

How about this one?

“Wouldn’t life for blacks in America today be more enjoyable and successful if they would only learn to appreciate the value of a good education?” (Page 184)


I'd like to someone try to defend that statement.



Both of these seem to be quite factual. They are "racist" in that the determinations are based on race, but that certainly doesn't make them any less true.


Thanks, I knew you wouldn't disapoint. Your racism is clearly on display for all to see.



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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby cartervj » Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:53 am

chilli is a little slow :lol3:
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Glimmerjim » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:02 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:Jim,

You quoted the wrong post or your reading a hell of a lot into the one you quoted. :huh:

I will address your questions anyway. We are not talking about the individuals who were enslaved. We are talking about the real world benefits received by their existing descendants. If you cannot see the benefits and advanced options and lifestyles African Americans live with compared to their average African relatives you are both deluded and particularly foolish. As I mentioned in an earlier part of this thread. I am not discussing the right and wrong of anything. I simply pointed out that the descendants are far better off and live far better lives due to having had their ancestors brought here. You also neatly avoided the discussion on blacks being the main suppliers of slaves here, along with being the first slave owners.

If you are so sure it was such a horrible thing, then I am certain you will support the US fixing that wrong, clearly we must repatriate them to their ancestral lands to right our past wrongs. Liberia or Sierra Leone mean anything to you?

You're correct in that I really addressed the wrong post, scaup. I was reading through and just jumped in pertinent to the whole thread, not your post. :thumbsup:
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Glimmerjim » Thu Jul 04, 2013 1:03 pm

slowshooter wrote:
clampdaddy wrote:No "BOOM!" for you! You are banned! One year no "BOOM!"!!!!


You cut me deep....

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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Thu Jul 04, 2013 2:00 pm

Chilidawg wrote:
assateague wrote:
Chilidawg wrote:Here are some more statements from Arkansas state rep. Jon Hubbard.

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.”

See more at: http://talkbusiness.net/2012/10/rep-jon ... TRjR0.dpuf

Anyone care to argue that that is not racist?

How about this one?

“Wouldn’t life for blacks in America today be more enjoyable and successful if they would only learn to appreciate the value of a good education?” (Page 184)


I'd like to someone try to defend that statement.



Both of these seem to be quite factual. They are "racist" in that the determinations are based on race, but that certainly doesn't make them any less true.


Thanks, I knew you wouldn't disapoint. Your racism is clearly on display for all to see.


The fact that he can recognize cultural patterns makes him a racist?
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Jul 04, 2013 3:41 pm

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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby High Sierras » Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:58 am

cartervj wrote:chilli is a little slow :lol3:


Wait, does that mean Slowshooter gets to call Chilidawg "Mini me" from now on??? :lol3:
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:06 am

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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Chilidawg » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:21 am

cartervj wrote:chilli is a little slow :lol3:


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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Chilidawg » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:53 am

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
Chilidawg wrote:
assateague wrote:
Chilidawg wrote:Here are some more statements from Arkansas state rep. Jon Hubbard.

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.”

See more at: http://talkbusiness.net/2012/10/rep-jon ... TRjR0.dpuf

Anyone care to argue that that is not racist?

How about this one?

“Wouldn’t life for blacks in America today be more enjoyable and successful if they would only learn to appreciate the value of a good education?” (Page 184)


I'd like to someone try to defend that statement.



Both of these seem to be quite factual. They are "racist" in that the determinations are based on race, but that certainly doesn't make them any less true.


Thanks, I knew you wouldn't disapoint. Your racism is clearly on display for all to see.


The fact that he can recognize cultural patterns makes him a racist?


Racial stereotypes =\= cultural patterns.
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Jul 05, 2013 8:58 am

Chilidawg wrote:Racial stereotypes =\= cultural patterns.

Not all stereotypes are wrong any more than they are all right.

So thanks for pointing out something EVERYONE already knew :thumbsup:

It really makes your argument :no:
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Chilidawg » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:40 am

SpinnerMan wrote:
Chilidawg wrote:Racial stereotypes =\= cultural patterns.

Not all stereotypes are wrong any more than they are all right.

So thanks for pointing out something EVERYONE already knew :thumbsup:

It really makes your argument :no:


So, getting back to this statement by Jon Hubbard,

“… will it ever become possible for black people in the United States of America to firmly establish themselves as inclusive and contributing members of society within this country?”


Are you saying that Hubbard's view that black people are not contributing members of American society is an accurate stereotype?

Do you share that opinion?
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby Chilidawg » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:49 am

Seriously people.

Think about what Hubbard is saying here

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.”


Do any of you seriously believe that garbage?

Basically what Hubbard is saying is: "blacks students are lazy and stupid and because of integration, white students are lazy and stupid now as well and it's all the fault of the black students."

Hubbard is a racist anal opening of the first degree and anyone who claims that Hubbard is correct is a racist analysis opening as well.
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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:50 am

Chilidawg wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
Chilidawg wrote:Racial stereotypes =\= cultural patterns.

Not all stereotypes are wrong any more than they are all right.

So thanks for pointing out something EVERYONE already knew :thumbsup:

It really makes your argument :no:


So, getting back to this statement by Jon Hubbard,

“… will it ever become possible for black people in the United States of America to firmly establish themselves as inclusive and contributing members of society within this country?”


Are you saying that Hubbard's view that black people are not contributing members of American society is an accurate stereotype?

Do you share that opinion?

At the same level as Asians, whites, or Hispanics? It's a question of what is meant by this. Clearly he doesn't mean that individuals cannot excel at everything. So obviously he is talking about averages.


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Re: Is this Racism? (Part 2)

Postby ScaupHunter » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:38 pm

Chilidawg wrote:Seriously people.

Think about what Hubbard is saying here

“… one of the stated purposes of school integration was to bring black students up to a level close to that of white students. But, to the great disappointment of everyone, the results of this theory worked exactly in reverse of its intended purpose, and instead of black students rising to the educational levels previously attained by white students, the white students dropped to the level of black students. To make matters worse the lack of discipline and ambition of black students soon became shared by their white classmates, and our educational system has been in a steady decline ever since.”


Do any of you seriously believe that garbage?

Basically what Hubbard is saying is: "blacks students are lazy and stupid and because of integration, white students are lazy and stupid now as well and it's all the fault of the black students."

Hubbard is a racist anal opening of the first degree and anyone who claims that Hubbard is correct is a racist analysis opening as well.


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