Chilidawg wrote: SpinnerMan wrote: Chilidawg wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:... all groups on average are exactly the same ...
and the impact of whatever (racism, slavery, Jim Crow, social welfare system, race hustlers, etc.)
All racial groups are basically the same.
Socio-economic factors, the poverty cycle, and environmental factors have huge impacts
So based on the things that you have chosen to quote, are you even certain that you are in fundamental disagreement with the things that you have quoted? Not talking about poor choice of wording on a sensitive subject.
That is unless you are saying that the impacts of socio-economic factors, the poverty cycle, and environmental factors on all racial groups are basically the same.
You are not, are you?
You are being deliberately obtuse.
You don't think that over 150 years of institutionalized descrimination has not had a profound effect?
Are you arguing that Hubbard's statements are not fundamentally flawed?
Flawed or not, you have presented nothing that makes them fundamentally racism which is the case you failed to make. You may be correct, but you have presented nothing that supports your premise. Evil people often use very clever and deceptive means to achieve their ends by making mostly true or it would be nice if it were true statements to deceive people and that is why I believe things are worse for minorities at this point.
You are playing right into the hands of the race hustlers because unless you make the PC arguments about the current state of affairs, you will be condemned as a racists (or an Uncle Tom, oreo, etc. if you are a minority) so just shut up and let the minorities rot on the Democrat/race hustler plantation. When the Democrats controlled the south we had slavery, segregation and Jim Crow. When those truly racist institutions could not withstand common decency, the Democrats have found another way to keep the black man down and now they give them their overwhelming loyalty and devotion for it. Of course, now most think they are sincerely looking out for the well being (even though they are failing horribly) of the minorities and are just the modern incarnation of the same old control freaks trying to control everything and doing horrible things to people's lives as a result of their incompetence, arrogance, and faux-compassion.
However, if you want to apply basic Darwinian logic, of the subset of the population captured and sent into slavery, would they have been disproportionately the best and brightest of the population?
If you want to debate that fine, it is irrelevant. BTW, what point would it serve if you had to concede that the descendant of slaves on average had significantly lower IQ, motivation, etc.? NOTHING if we treat all individuals equally because even if true there is the entire spectrum of individuals from Einstein to my dog.
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