Legband#1 wrote:I have labs and shorthairs and I would put my GSP up against any dog out there on retrieves ,
She marks very well, she has a soft mouth and she doesn't monkey around after she picks the bird up she brings it straight to hand.
We have two rivers that run through my best quail spot, and I have made second bird shots and dropped a bird all the way across the river she swims the current and makes the retrieve beautifully.
So I decided to leave my lab at home one morning and take Livy my GSP it was a frosty morning but she was excited , my two sons and I got into the mallards early and Livy was all over them, but with in an hour the differences in my chocolate (colt) and Livy became very apparent . Her lack of body fat that makes her fast and Mobil for quail , allowed her to Chill in the cold water
And while she had great drive and desire for the bird the water was a obstacle to over come, Colt on the other hand didn't want to come out of the water. When I am picking up decoys Livy the GSP found any place dry she could to sit , while Colt has his head under the water looking for the decoy anchors he like to bring to me.
And he should love the water his line had three hundred years of breeding as a fish Retreiver in New Finland before the second Earl of Malmesbury ever made a bird retriever out of the bread , he is a true water dog .
Now don't get me wrong I love German Short Hairs a more graceful hard driving upland dog you will never find , but labs were bread to swim down as far as 15' and bring back fish that got off the barbless hooks of the 1400's and later , it's not a fair comparison
And I raise and love both , so I'm not bias or prejudice it is just a fact.
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Tanner01 wrote:My lab before he retired (13 years old ) would break the ice to cool off. Body fat and coat is an important part of staying warm. I wish I had the time, money and/or knowledge to have trained him better than I did but he was a great "meat dog". In my area of the north east we had a couple of cold days but for the most part no real cold weather until January. 3 Retrieves is about all we need most days
For me duck hunting is about spending an insane extra amount of time with the dogs and if it was not for them I would probably just go and deer hunt. I have a griffon and her coat gets wet and stays wet, she will refuse to retrieve on real cold days and I don't push the issue. My GSP will do anything I ask and I will need to be careful of that. I love my dogs and will take the utmost care in protecting them from hypothermia, as well as anything else. Once a dog is saturated with water and labs get wet too, they all have the potential for hypothermia if the conditions are right. I want to spend the time with them so I am going to give it a try, with the utmost of caution. I will quit and go home, if undressing and giving my dog my jackets and the wool blanket and the heater, doesn't keep them warm enough. Really if they just ride along and watch me retrieve i am ok with that too.
Body fat......you think that might be why the labs can tread water so much better?
Tanner01 wrote:I had a training session with the trainer tonight and we did a combo yard then field work session. One of the things I have been concerned with is if all of the retriever training might have a negative effect on her pointing and holding steady. We did the double t drill with no/no training. ( like throwing the bumper to the over pile and telling her to go to the back pile, cause problems so you can fix them)
After the yard work we put out two birds in the field, first one was for a no bird drill. She pointed steady and stayed steady for the flush and shot. I then had her heel away and told her no bird. Second bird she pointed then stayed steady to wing and shot. She retrieved that bird to hand. someone told me that to much retrieving would ruin her steadiness and her pointing. What a relieve it seems to be staying strong.
Dawnsearlylight wrote:Body fat......you think that might be why the labs can tread water so much better?
Rick Hall wrote:Dawnsearlylight wrote:Body fat......you think that might be why the labs can tread water so much better?
Higher body fat vs. muscle = better buoyancy.
Dawnsearlylight wrote:Rick Hall wrote:In his prime, my current Brittany was a long, lean 38lbs and ran an All-Age race, yet was nearly twice as fast in the water as my then current, and quite fit, Chessie.
The quote was in response to treading water. Just out of curiosity, did you ever throw one mark and send both dogs simultaneously?
Legband#1 wrote:Hey Rick I'm unsure of the point your trying to make , is it that upland dogs like brittney's or gsp's out swim water dogs Chessies or Labs or that you have seen a exception to the rule .
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