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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby rds0523 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 6:39 am

I haven't had the blind out of the driveway yet, but when I died some of the grass- it was dyed with the "low water immersion" method - it definitely absorbed water but then again it was submerged. I would imagine any good rain will make will soak into this stuff. I have toyed with the idea of a waterproofing spray of some kind but i would definitely want to make some test bundles to see if they end up with some kind of sheen on them or not - maybe tent waterproofing spray might work or at least prevent some absorption without sheen - like I said I would definitely make some test bundles first

As a side note, when dying the grass it was really dark when wet but once I dried it it got lighter - as most things do - I could see this being an advantage if you are hunting in the rain/slushy snow - if everything else around you is wet and dark/rich color - you might want your blind to act the same
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby tazman7 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 8:26 am

I am going to start building a blind for my boat this week.
So from what I get out of this thread:

Build frame out of conduit.
Put 1000d cordura over it- securing with zip ties
Put poultry netting over that to tie grass too.
Order synthetic raffia in whatever colors I need.

What do you guys think this would cost me to build a blind from start to finish on a 16' boat?

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Another source for Raffia grass

Postby Sandor27 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:08 am

Check this source out:

http://www.franksupply.com/raffia/suppl ... uralraffia

Best of all no minimum purchase. A little more per pound than Sterns, but I don't need 25 pounds!

Best of luck...

My budget:

Bimini Hardware: from ebay seller sewingnetwork, $.99 deck hinges x 4 = $4
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Deck-Hinge-Bimi ... 823wt_1161
$2.50 Ends x 6 = $15
$2.99 7/8 Jaw x 2 = $6
Shipping $6

Military camo netting from abature outpost $80
https://www.abatureoutpost.com/store/ca ... arie-grass

Conduit from Home Depot 3/4" x 10' $3.87x 6 pieces = $24
4" Zipties from Home Depot $10
Camo paint for conduit $10 home depot

Raffia from FrankSupply $70
http://www.franksupply.com/raffia/suppl ... uralraffia

Raffia dye from grocery store $10

Tan Nylon ripstop windblock from Joann Fabric 12 yards x $4 = $48

Misc hardware $10

Beer $157

Total (minus beer) = $293
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby rds0523 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:53 am

Just to put some perspective on Sandor's breakdown

My Avery Quickset - $280.00 + Tax & sh
Windblocker - $ 75.00 + Tax & sh
Avery Camo Material $160.00 + Tax & sh
Raffia Grass $ 65.00 + Tax & sh
Total $ 580.00 + Tax and sh

If you have the know how you can build a blind just as nice (if not nicer) for FAR less - much like Sandor. I chose to take the easy route on this particular boat after building/assisting with other home made deals - but I definitely paid for it that's for sure..
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby tazman7 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 11:56 am

awesome thanks for posting! :beer:
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:28 pm

I'm putting together a boat blind - thinking of using PVC. Make the opening a rectangle - cover the rest of the blind with chicken wire and raffia.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby tod0987 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:42 pm

AR Dave wrote:I'm putting together a boat blind - thinking of using PVC. Make the opening a rectangle - cover the rest of the blind with chicken wire and raffia.


PVC would work as long as it is supported over the run and doesn't get too hot. If it gets too hot and has a load on it, it will sag. I used a 10foot piece of 2" for the backbone of a brace to cover the boat when not in use and it sags even with a support in the middle and there is just a tarp strapped down over it.

You would probably be best to use 3/4" EMT as raffia gets really heavy when wet if you hunt in the rain.



To the others I built a blind (non scissor type but does fold down) for $325-350 with 8 pieces of EMT, 30 lbs of raffia, 400D codura, and heavy duty netting from west coast netting. Zip ties came from harbor freight and are holding up well. I went through around 300 or so ties.

Use the search feature here to find the multiple blind builds and how to's.

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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby eagles2069 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:09 pm

I like tod blind a lot. If you ever want a great how to blind check out Ichabod97 how to. I followed it for one of my blinds and made it every simple to follow.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby KillerKowalski » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:31 pm

tazman7 wrote:I am going to start building a blind for my boat this week.
So from what I get out of this thread:

Build frame out of conduit.
Put 1000d cordura over it- securing with zip ties
Put poultry netting over that to tie grass too.
Order synthetic raffia in whatever colors I need.

What do you guys think this would cost me to build a blind from start to finish on a 16' boat?

Thanks


This is how I constructed mine. Work with the sellers on eBay for lower shipping on the Cordura. The netting and the raffia that is left over can be resold to recoup some cost of the build. I can't get Excel to paste it correctly, so I apologize in advance.

    Unit Price Quanity Total
    Mounting
    3/4" x 20' EMT Conduit $6.24 4 $24.96 (Menards)

    Bimini Deck Mounting Bracket Black $2.79 4 $11.16 (boatersoutlet.com)

    Bimini Outside Eye End 7/8" Round Black $2.79 12 $33.48 (boatersoutlet.com)

    Bimini Jaw Slide 7/8" Black $2.99 8 $23.92 (boatersoutlet.com)


    Blind Material
    Netting 50' X 10'= $29.95 (eBay)

    1000D CORDURA 60"W 15 Yards= $81.30 (eBay)

    $204.77
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby tod0987 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 2:54 pm

eagles2069 wrote:I like tod blind a lot. If you ever want a great how to blind check out Ichabod97 how to. I followed it for one of my blinds and made it every simple to follow.


Thanks a guy named Condorso had a good build on here as well which is what I followed if the pictures are still up after this site crashed awhile back.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby tazman7 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:06 pm

I cant get the ichabad link to open o my computer.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby KillerKowalski » Wed Aug 21, 2013 3:13 pm

tazman7 wrote:I cant get the ichabad link to open o my computer.


It works. Ichabod97's plans are great. The right angle aluminum can be replaced with conduit. Save some money. Plus, the bimini mounts can release the blind by thumb instead of a drill. Other than that, what a guy to dedicate the time to make the PP.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby QuackerSmacker498 » Wed Aug 21, 2013 10:51 pm

In my experience, do not attempt to dye those giant clumps of raffia as packed by stern. Break them down into much smaller clumps the size that will be attached to your boat before attempting to dye. The dye has a hard time penetrating thick clumps of raffia. Just a heads up if you by the natural color and want to dye to your own color.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Thu Aug 22, 2013 7:10 pm

So what do we need to water proof it with - Thompson's Water Seal ? Any other ideals?
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby rds0523 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:16 pm

Finally ran out of grass tonight, I don't think I am going to attempt any water proofing, that being said this thing is going to be a total bitch when its wet I can already feel it coming! Hopefully I'll come home with enough ducks each time to keep me dealing with it lol
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby tazman7 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:52 pm

is there a type of grass that is water resistant?

Started building the frame for mine tonight. I am going to order the fabric tomorrow. Thinking I am going to go with the cordura. Just curious as to how heavy it is. Trying to keep it as light as possible..I only have 20 hp..
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby orphanedcowboy » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:48 am

tazman7 wrote:is there a type of grass that is water resistant?

Started building the frame for mine tonight. I am going to order the fabric tomorrow. Thinking I am going to go with the cordura. Just curious as to how heavy it is. Trying to keep it as light as possible..I only have 20 hp..


It is going to be some type of synthetic material. I trimmed my grass 2" below the deck on the Marsh Rat, I was told numerous times to make sure it doesn't come in contact with the water, one it wicks the water up but it also makes it harder to paddle.

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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby KillerKowalski » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:15 am

tazman7 wrote:Thinking I am going to go with the cordura. Just curious as to how heavy it is. Trying to keep it as light as possible..I only have 20 hp..


It depends. Usually around 10 ounces a yard I believe. Different qualities will range. The stronger and obviously heavier will be more weight per yard. Cordura will weight less than about three floaters IMO.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:41 pm

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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Wed Sep 18, 2013 7:50 pm

AR Dave wrote:rsd0523, thanks for taking the time to give us a heads up on the colors. And detailed pictures. I called in myself, instead of my buddy, and got the big picture. :help: So I learned that the grass comes in 2 lbs Hanks - mix match whatever you want for the 25 lb min order. I told them 16 lbs of Edge, 10 Sand, 8 Natural, 6 Tan, 6 Olive Green, 6 Medium Brown, 6 Garden. That ought to get us started and let us see what colors we like best.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby slayer73 » Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:38 pm

You must buy the natural color and dye it I am assuming from Franks. Otherwise it seems to be supper expensive?
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