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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby beretta24 » Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:49 pm

slowshooter wrote:Gary is correct. Walmart comes to town and there is a net job loss. And folks are paid less.
What a "Great Value".

Again, there's no Walmart if people don't shop there. American people have chosen cheap China schit over the American alternative.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby slowshooter » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:35 pm

garyt wrote:
beretta24 wrote:
slowshooter wrote:Gary is correct. Walmart comes to town and there is a net job loss. And folks are paid less.
What a "Great Value".

Again, there's no Walmart if people don't shop there. American people have chosen cheap China schit over the American alternative.


The collective IQ of America is just above mentally retarded.



We blame you for stretching that bell curve to the low end.
All this for a bowl of borscht.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby slowshooter » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:51 pm

You are pretty low to be posting here.
All this for a bowl of borscht.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:52 pm

garyt wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
garyt wrote:
beretta24 wrote:
slowshooter wrote:Gary is correct. Walmart comes to town and there is a net job loss. And folks are paid less.
What a "Great Value".

Again, there's no Walmart if people don't shop there. American people have chosen cheap China schit over the American alternative.


The collective IQ of America is just above mentally retarded.



We blame you for stretching that bell curve to the low end.


Mine was 128 last tested...thanks all the same.

not that it matters, but mine was 152....
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:30 pm

garyt wrote:But you dont know what a person of the book is....or difference from a Christian and Infidel.

Maybe your test examiner had an off day.

keep reaching...
A person of the book is a christian or a jew. and yes, they are infidels in islam. Nowhere does it say in Islam that they are not to be touched. Only if they submit to the jiza tax canl the be spared, but still persecuted. Refusal brings upon them wrath and sometimes death.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:32 pm

All non muslims are considered infidels.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:39 pm

garyt wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:All non muslims are considered infidels.


Not true.

An Infidel is an unbeliever, an atheist or pagan.


'In the Qur'an and Hadith, the term People of the Book (أهل الكتاب‎ ′Ahl al-Kitāb) is used to refer to followers of certain monotheistic faiths which pre-date the advent of Islam. In particular, it refers to the Christian, Jewish, and Sabian faiths'

taqqiya will not help you here on this forum.
A video of Egypt’s grand mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa (or Gom’a), which began circulating weeks before the massacre, helps elucidate. While holding that Muslims may coexist with Christians (who, as dhimmis, have rights), Gomaa categorized Christians as kuffar — “infidels” — a word that connotes “enemies,” “evil-doers,” and every bad thing to Muslim ears.

After quoting Quran 5:17, “Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary,” he expounded by saying any association between a human and God (in Arabic, shirk) is the greatest sin: “Whoever thinks the Christ is God, or the Son of God, not symbolically — for we are all sons of God — but attributively, has rejected the faith which God requires for salvation,” thereby becoming an infidel.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/raymond-ibrahim/top-muslim-declares-all-christians-%E2%80%98infidels%E2%80%99/
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:42 pm

garyt wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
garyt wrote:But you dont know what a person of the book is....or difference from a Christian and Infidel.

Maybe your test examiner had an off day.

keep reaching...
A person of the book is a christian or a jew. and yes, they are infidels in islam. Nowhere does it say in Islam that they are not to be touched. Only if they submit to the jiza tax canl the be spared, but still persecuted. Refusal brings upon them wrath and sometimes death.




'Nearest among them in love to the Believers wilt thou find those who say, We are Christians"
Because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant'
-Koran (5:85 AYA/82 MP)

and where does it say that they shall not be killed? I'll wait....
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:45 pm

Are you going to highjack every thread on this forum like you did the last time you were here?
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 3:46 pm

garyt wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
garyt wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:All non muslims are considered infidels.


Not true.

An Infidel is an unbeliever, an atheist or pagan.


'In the Qur'an and Hadith, the term People of the Book (أهل الكتاب‎ ′Ahl al-Kitāb) is used to refer to followers of certain monotheistic faiths which pre-date the advent of Islam. In particular, it refers to the Christian, Jewish, and Sabian faiths'

taqqiya will not help you here on this forum.
A video of Egypt’s grand mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa (or Gom’a), which began circulating weeks before the massacre, helps elucidate. While holding that Muslims may coexist with Christians (who, as dhimmis, have rights), Gomaa categorized Christians as kuffar — “infidels” — a word that connotes “enemies,” “evil-doers,” and every bad thing to Muslim ears.

After quoting Quran 5:17, “Infidels are those who declare God is the Christ, [Jesus] son of Mary,” he expounded by saying any association between a human and God (in Arabic, shirk) is the greatest sin: “Whoever thinks the Christ is God, or the Son of God, not symbolically — for we are all sons of God — but attributively, has rejected the faith which God requires for salvation,” thereby becoming an infidel.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/raymond-ibrahim/top-muslim-declares-all-christians-%E2%80%98infidels%E2%80%99/



Islam or the Kodar doesnt say that!!
It says

Sahih International 5:17
'They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, "Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?" And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them. He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.'


This is the Islamic heresy, they deny Jesus as God. Same with the Trinity.
BUt this is not an Infidel.

That was disingenuous and you are a liar for trying to state as much.

go find a quote from the book of medina....not Mecca.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:03 pm

you need to research abrogation in islam. You are either ignorant of the practice, or are posting with the intent to deceive using taqqiya, which is it?
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby ohioboy » Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:34 pm

Glimmerjim wrote:
ohioboy wrote: Funny you mentioned electricians. Two I know are paid NOT to work over half of the year.

How so, Ohio?



union pays them not to work. they sit around and drink and get high most of the time. this is in ohio, not in md. i will see one tonight. i am going home to visit.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby dudejcb » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:17 pm

SpinnerMan wrote: ... the unions would never permit it ...
ah yes, the boogey man is risen again.
What would any DHC discussion be without demonizing something intended to benefit (perhaps in theory) regular wort king people? Good work Spinner. You're consistently negatively persistent if nothing else.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby dudejcb » Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:17 pm

SpinnerMan wrote: ... the unions would never permit it ...
ah yes, the boogey man is risen again.
What would any DHC discussion be without demonizing something intended to benefit (perhaps in theory) regular working people? Good work Spinner. You're consistently negatively persistent if nothing else.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby SpinnerMan » Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:38 am

dudejcb wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote: ... the unions would never permit it ...
ah yes, the boogey man is risen again.
What would any DHC discussion be without demonizing something intended to benefit (perhaps in theory) regular working people? Good work Spinner. You're consistently negatively persistent if nothing else.

Yeah, they would never featherbed AGAIN! :lol3:
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby vincentpa » Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:59 pm

slowshooter wrote:Gary is correct. Walmart comes to town and there is a net job loss. And folks are paid less.

What a "Great Value".


Paid less than whom? As spinner pointed out, Wally pays moe than the corner store.


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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby dudejcb » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:44 am

SpinnerMan wrote:
dudejcb wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote: ... the unions would never permit it ...
ah yes, the boogey man is risen again.
What would any DHC discussion be without demonizing something intended to benefit (perhaps in theory) regular working people? Good work Spinner. You're consistently negatively persistent if nothing else.

Yeah, they would never featherbed AGAIN! :lol3:

What do you think executives and Board members do for one another? Talk about a get rich club ...
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby dudejcb » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:46 am

SpinnerMan wrote:
dudejcb wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote: ... the unions would never permit it ...
ah yes, the boogey man is risen again.
What would any DHC discussion be without demonizing something intended to benefit (perhaps in theory) regular working people? Good work Spinner. You're consistently negatively persistent if nothing else.

Yeah, they would never featherbed AGAIN! :lol3:

What do you think executives and Board members do for one another? Talk about a get rich club ...
What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding?
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Aug 16, 2013 11:59 am

dudejcb wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:
dudejcb wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote: ... the unions would never permit it ...
ah yes, the boogey man is risen again.
What would any DHC discussion be without demonizing something intended to benefit (perhaps in theory) regular working people? Good work Spinner. You're consistently negatively persistent if nothing else.

Yeah, they would never featherbed AGAIN! :lol3:

What do you think executives and Board members do for one another? Talk about a get rich club ...

Yes, now the tried and true, two wrongs make a right argument :lol3:
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby dudejcb » Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:48 pm

No, not really. Just pointing out that if you're in the market for villains, they don't all reside within unions, which resonates with a point I've tried to make over and over. It's not the institution (governments, unions, corporations) thats' to blame necissarily, it's ususally the humans scumballs within those institutions that are the root cause.

We don't like dictators as a rule because they are usually despotic evil doers consumed with persaonl interest. On the other hand a benevolent dictator concerned with the general welfare is probably the best type of government ... but truly, universally, benevolent folks devoted to the general welfare of the public are so rare as to be non-existent.

The point being--don't blame unions for everything. There's plenty of blame to go around.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Aug 16, 2013 2:08 pm

dudejcb wrote:No, not really. Just pointing out that if you're in the market for villains, they don't all reside within unions
:eek: Wow, I never would have known that :fingerhead:

Are you aware that sometimes the villains DO reside with the unions? :huh:

dudejcb wrote:It's not the institution (governments, unions, corporations) thats' to blame necissarily, it's ususally the humans scumballs within those institutions that are the root cause.
Do you disagree that the unions, particularly the powerful teamsters union would use it's power and influence to stop this? Of course they would. Would they succeed? I believe they would. I was not ripping on unions. I was just making a statement about how I think things would play out.

dudejcb wrote:On the other hand a benevolent dictator concerned with the general welfare is probably the best type of government
In fantasy land on Earth and in reality in heaven where that benevolent dictator is all-capable, all-knowing, and truly all-benevolent. This is a fantasy on earth because no human being comes anywhere close to the knowledge and ability to fulfill the role of the benevolent dictator.

Another thing that we don't like is monopolies. Granted, if run by the fictional benevolent human being, they too are the optimum in fantasy land. Here on planet earth, monopolies should be avoid if at all possible and when they cannot (e.g., the limited scope for which government should be responsible and no more), they should be treated with great suspicion (i.e., a necessary evil) and not as an institution to be trusted because it will attract all kinds of scumballs, incompetent do-gooders, evil, and every other kind of person that you don't want running it.

There is no problem with unions. There is a problem when unions have monopoly power. Unions are a great thing IF THEY HAVE TO COMPETE, very much like any other institution. When they don't have to compete, when they get special protection and special handouts from government, they are just as bad as crony-capitalism because it is no different and they are benefiting at the expense of other people.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby augerin » Fri Aug 16, 2013 4:26 pm

2013 auto worker. "Crap. That machine works harder and longer than me."[/quote]


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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Glimmerjim » Sat Aug 17, 2013 1:05 am

SpinnerMan wrote: A positive for mankind, a positive for the economy, a positive for quality of life, a positive for the environment, a positive for health and safety, it most definitely would be a positive for the collective good.

Just an extremely short sided approach Spinner.Most of the examples posted present conflict. A positive for the envronment in no way is a a harbinger for the good of society.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby Elvis Kiwi » Sat Aug 17, 2013 3:16 am

back to topic
went out and spread some joy today.......well ok then it was fertiliser
took us a couple of days to spread all 88ton of it at 351kgs per ha but we got there in the end...finished the last paddock with about 4-500kgs left over so reduced rate way back and drove out of farm over paddocks already done till it was all gone. this farm has irrigator ruts (picture a tractor doing a wheelee till it dug a rut 12" deep) river rocks,wet spots to get stuck in/avoid, stray wire from said irrigator breaking fences and holes the cows/bulls have dug...add to those wee problems to solve the fert itself having variable density so we had to keep adjusting the sowing rate and well......no show mr robot driver/steerer.
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Re: Daddy, What Was a Truck Driver?

Postby SpinnerMan » Sat Aug 17, 2013 5:55 am

Nobody says it will work in every situation, but I don't think the technology would have any problem on large fractions of our interstates over a large fraction of the conditions that exist. No driving while sick, hungover, or any other reason that makes the driver far less than 100% when behind the wheel. No distractions while driving.

But it's not going to be perfect and anything less will be proof. Even if it is 10 times safer, there will still be 10% of the accidents and not 0%. A truck just wiped out an entire family over in Indiana. First time that happens with a drone, that will be "proof" they are not safe, even if over the same period human drivers would have wiped out 10 families and not 1. For those convinced of the danger, the first accident, which was expected, would be absolute irrefutable proof of failure by those that hold that belief. People will accept a vastly greater risk from something they are accustomed to or just don't worry about than something they fear or have developed a level of paranoia over. People respond to their fears and not rationally to the relative risks. This aspect of human nature will be manipulated in this case. Probably the extreme case of this is nuclear power. The risk is so small, but people are so paranoid and are easily manipulated and the experts are so bad at communicating, huge numbers of people die that need not, but that is what makes society more comfortable. This is why the unions will succeed in killing the use of drone trucks. It has nothing to do with the ability to safely put a container on a truck in the gulf port of Charleston (who am I to argue with the President) and send it cross country to a distribution center in California.
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