1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

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1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby Hilltopflyway » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:11 am

Okay, my father in law just purchased a 1948 Model 12 2&3/4 12 gauge. It has a 30" full choke barrel on it and the serial numbers match. I have yet to look at the gun, however he is asking me what shell should he use for waterfowl hunting. I recommended the Hevi 2&3/4 #6 for duck and not goose loads. It says that it is steel rated on the barrel. I could use some feed back on this question please. :help: :help: :help:
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby Frank Lopez » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:29 am

I have some doubts about a 1948 Model 12 stating that it's steel rated on the barrel. That was about the time that John Olin began experimenting with steel as an alternative to lead. I'm pretty sure that when they first started testing, they had very little idea of any possible dangers.

That said, I'm not sure I'd run steel through any gun with a full choke from that era if I were worried about damaging the gun. The only damage you'll likely suffer is a ring bulge behind the choke, but that's really only a cosmetic problem that won't effect the function of the gun. Were it me, I'd either have the gun opened to mod (about .020 to .025, no tighter) constriction or send it off to Mike Orlen and have it fitted for choke tubes.

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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby apexhunter » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:42 am

I have my Dad's Model 12 that is a few years older than yours and as Frank said I would not shoot any steel loads through it at all. Unless you have some barrel work done the only no-tox loads I'd shoot would be Classic Doubles and even then with fairly small shot. The barrels of these vintage guns were fairly thin so you may or may not have enough meat to have them threaded for tubes...at least without shortening the barrel to get back to ample thickness.

As much as I'd love to shoot divers with Dad's old piece I have relegated it to the clays course and an occasional dove hunt.
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby A5Mag12 » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:35 pm

According to Winchester, Winchester Proof Steel is safe for steel shot but not if it is a full choke. When Winchester was a real gun company they did test their guns with steel shot back in the late '40's early '50's. I talked to Winchester back in the '80's when we had to start using steel shot and was given the information on Winchester Proof Steel and steel shot. The only gun I had that wasn't full choke was my Model-50 with IC barrel. Used it until the hammer screwed up and started to double shoot but barrel still looks fine.
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby 1448jonboat » Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:42 pm

I have an 1928 Model 12 and I shoot Kent Tungsten Matrix. It is soft enough for the older Model 12 barrels.
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby 3200 man » Tue Aug 06, 2013 2:22 pm

My 3" mod 12 with a .017 choke shoots steel shot just fine .
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby Oldman1949 » Wed Aug 07, 2013 3:45 pm

3200 man wrote:My 3" mod 12 with a .017 choke shoots steel shot just fine .


First thing that comes to mind is the OP has a 2 3/4" Md.12 NOT a 3" one . Next is that a 3" bbl has appox. twice the wall thickness of a 2 3/4" gun . After that the choke in 3" guns have a different profile than 2 3/4" guns .
Need to compare apples to apples not apples to oranges .
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby 3200 man » Wed Aug 07, 2013 11:39 pm

It all depends on what you want out of the gun , if it's what you want to shoot , open the choke up and use a shell with
a good wad , don't be talked into choke tubes , use it , it's made to hunt with !

AND THAT"S MY STORY AND I'm sticking to it ! :lol3: :thumbsup: :grooving:
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby BT Justice » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:22 am

I'd like to see any gun made in 1948 that was labeled steel shot approved.
What it all boils down to is...shoot steel through it and take the chance of damaging the barrel
Shoot Tungsten Matrix or the other types of soft shot and you won't damage the barrel
It's basically up to your FIL to make that choice
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby 3200 man » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:16 am

Yep , I agree too ! Those loads work well in the tight barrel of a mod 12 , just cost more . I have a few mod 12's ,the
ones with open chokes I shoot steel through and some heavy / matrix to . I do know , if I use a shot size of 2's or smaller
in a 1 oz load , in a good wad , the shot doesn't touch the barrel so , I have no wear on the barrel of my 2 3/4" mod 12's .
With new ammo , 1 1/16 oz of the same size shot in a good shell , I have found works good too !
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby z51 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:44 am

No steel, bismuth, nice, classic doubles are all OK.
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Re: 1948 Model 12 23/4, what shell????

Postby Hilltopflyway » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:41 am

I am just going off of what my father-in-law passed on to me with the information. I have yet to see the gun. I might get to look at the Model 12 this weekend.
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