U.S.- War with Syria?

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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby vincentpa » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:23 am

beretta24 wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:The US lost credibility then because Clinton was a idiot and took the cowards way out which made us look the fool. We are losing credibility now because Obama is a fool and is a finger pointing coward. Anyone starting to see the pattern? Same piece of spit leadership method. Same stupidity, just a different format and timing.

We all know the definition of insanity. It is being exhibited perfectly by our Idiot in Chief.

You saying Clinton should have taken different action? I don't see a parallel. Obama inserted the US into this mess unnecessarily on his own.


Clinton put himself in that position in Somalia when he changed the mission. Delta wanted to go in with a small team and take out Aidid. Clinton wanted to make a show. When the US left without Aidid after a few soldiers died along with the weak US responses to terrorist actions during the Clinton administration, OBL thought the US was a paper tiger, i.e. the US had no credibility. He didn't realize that credibility changes with every change in leadership. The US still has the biggest, best trained and best supplied military in the world. We can reach out an touch whomever we like anywhere in the world. We are the only nation with that capability. Whoever crosses us crosses us at their own peril. Again, credibility changes with each administration and can change within an administration if the right changes are made. OBL and his terrorist cohorts found this out the hard way when they attacked the US when GWB was president. Barry won't change. He is who he is. His practical moderate and conservative advisors are gone, i.e. Hillary and Gates. He is now surrounded by liberal sicophants. The rest of the world has taken note. We could be in for a long three years of treacherous waters in the foreign policy arena. Hopefully, the next president will be able to quickly restore respect among our allies and fear among our enemies.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby dakotashooter2 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:05 pm

It wouldn't bother me as much if we would pick a side and stick with it. Seems like when it comes to wars in the middle east we keep switching alliances. We provide arms to one side then 10 years later they shoot at us with our own weapons so we switch to the other side........... I think we should provide weapons to both sides and let them kill each other.............
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:15 pm

It's really very simple. Who has military bases in Syria? Russia. Who has port facilities in Syria? Russia. Who supplies military hardware to the Syrians? Russia. Who allows this? Assad. Who benefits from this? Assad and Russia.

Who loses if the militant rebels take over? Russia and Assad.

Without Assad, Russia is screwed.

But yet the freaking waterheads in DC think we will just be able to "punish" Assad, endanger his control, and have the Russians (who stand to lose a LOT) do nothing. I know they're dumb, but I didn't think they were quite that out of touch with reality.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby Underradar » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:34 pm

If Assad had a great duck blind,we could settle this with one cruise missile. Or a torch.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby Gunnysway » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:11 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09 ... ke-threat/


The Obama administration has taken the view that the proposal is now owned by the Russians, and that Putin is the one whose credibility is on the line. A senior Obama administration official said in response to Putin's op-ed that "the world will note" whether Russia follows through on its commitment to disarm Assad of chemical weapons


Who didn't know this was going to happen?

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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby MODuckkiller » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:37 pm

Gunnysway wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/12/tag-team-assad-joins-putin-in-pressing-obama-to-drop-syria-strike-threat/


The Obama administration has taken the view that the proposal is now owned by the Russians, and that Putin is the one whose credibility is on the line. A senior Obama administration official said in response to Putin's op-ed that "the world will note" whether Russia follows through on its commitment to disarm Assad of chemical weapons


Who didn't know this was going to happen?

"Not my fault"

Who's down for 3 terms?!
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby ScaupHunter » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:48 pm

I say three life terms at Guantanamo as a violator of the Constitutional Rights of American citizens. Toss in war mongering, and illegal interference with foreign nations as a chaser. Then a follow up shot of violation of his oath of office.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby beretta24 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:58 pm

You going to take most of congress with him?
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:36 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:I say three life terms at Guantanamo as a violator of the Constitutional Rights of American citizens. Toss in war mongering, and illegal interference with foreign nations as a chaser. Then a follow up shot of violation of his oath of office.


Bush too right? :hi:
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby MODuckkiller » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:27 pm

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ScaupHunter wrote:I say three life terms at Guantanamo as a violator of the Constitutional Rights of American citizens. Toss in war mongering, and illegal interference with foreign nations as a chaser. Then a follow up shot of violation of his oath of office.


Bush too right? :hi:

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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby cartervj » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:38 pm

then Clinton too :grooving:
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby ScaupHunter » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:51 pm

And the senior staff members too.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:15 pm

Merica! F**K YEAH!
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby ohioboy » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:51 pm

Underradar wrote:If Assad had a great duck blind,we could settle this with one cruise missile. Or a torch.


His blind could be better if his help was not Russian....wait for it....
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:38 am

MODuckkiller wrote:Who's down for 3 terms?!
Three terms is almost the norm for Illinois politicians. 2 terms in the state house and 1 in the big house.

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ScaupHunter wrote:I say three life terms at Guantanamo as a violator of the Constitutional Rights of American citizens. Toss in war mongering, and illegal interference with foreign nations as a chaser. Then a follow up shot of violation of his oath of office.


Bush too right? :hi:

Anybody that trusts any politician is a damn fool. Yet who wants to trust the politicians to take care of their health care, retirement, the economy, and pretty much ever important aspect of their life like little children do with their parents? :huh:

This is the type of comment that always amuses me. There is no defense that the Democrat party at all levels is not dominated by incompetent, corrupt, liars, etc. or put more concisely, it's a political party. It's always the two wrongs counter that the Republicans are bad too. No Image $hit and unless you are totally retarded or totally clueless, this is well known and not in dispute by anyone but the Republican party.

One group of people wants to stop these incompetent, bumbling, corrupt, lying idiots and one group wants them to have more power and control.

Bush, Clinton, damn near every last one of them a good argument can be made.

This is why we need to start descoping, defunding, and decentralize the government at all levels down to the point where it is a government of the people, by the people, and for the people and not the government of the powerful, by the powerful, and for the powerful.

You do that, it frees up a ton of time for the people in Washington to actually seriously contemplate things like this that only the central government can deal with or not deal with as seems appropriate. This stuff should not be an annoyance for the polticians in Washington as they figure out how they are going to spend over $30,000 for every single household in the United States. Is your family really getting $30k of benefit from the politicians in Washington? Well, one group wants to cut that burden on you and one group wants to add to it? :huh:
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby Gunnysway » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:41 am

SpinnerMan wrote:
MODuckkiller wrote:Who's down for 3 terms?!
Three terms is almost the norm for Illinois politicians. 2 terms in the state house and 1 in the big house.

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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby ScaupHunter » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:32 am

We should start by just tossing them in for their first term in the big house. It would solve a lot of problems.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:17 am

ScaupHunter wrote:We should start by just tossing them in for their first term in the big house. It would solve a lot of problems.

Obama spending 4 years in jail would have made him far better prepared to deal with Putin and Assad than his 4 years (or whatever it was) at Harvard apparently did.

I seriously think that there is this unacknowledged belief that when someone gets a high office it makes them some sort of sainted royalty or something. He can't be a no good rotten human being and should be trusted. How else could he be the President of Russia or the President of Syria or the King of Dooshbagastan. If they have a title, they must be rational and well intended unlike those right-wing America neanderthals.

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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby ScaupHunter » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:09 am

I hate those neanderthals. You know the type. The hard working, tax paying, war fighting, men and women who made America what it is. The productive people in our society. People who actually work and pay taxes. Yep, I hate those cheese weasle hard working productive types.

I always hate it the most when they cry foul when some socialist do gooder comes along and tells them they need to pay more for deadbeats. Their cries of disgust should fall on deaf ears. They should just trust the social workers and politicians. Who of course have no intention of stealing more of their hard earned money.

Dang ungrateful right wing nut jobs. I hate em all!
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Sep 13, 2013 10:35 am

ScaupHunter wrote:Who of course have no intention of stealing more of their hard earned money.
Is it really stealing if you did not need it? At some point, haven't they made enough, and if so, is taking from someone that has more than enough really stealing or is it just redistribution of the mash potatoes from the fat kid that took more than was in his best interest anyways?

And if the neanderthals had all they needed, and since they didn't die out immediately, they must have been getting what they needed at least for awhile, doesn't everybody in 21st century American really have far more than they need? So how can we really ever say that the government takes too much because really, whatever they take and whomever they take it from, they didn't really need it anyways, and if they didn't need it, was it really stolen?
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby ScaupHunter » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:40 pm

Forced handing over of money by any party is stealing. So yes it is stealing. It doesn't matter if I have a million cookies and the rest of you have none. Taking cookies from me wether I need them or not is stealing no matter how good your self proclaimed intentions may be. If you want some of my cookies, lets talk and you can work for me and provide a service for payment in cookies.

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steal [ steel ] 1.take something unlawfully: to take something that belongs to somebody else, illegally or without the owner's permission

2.take something furtively: to take or get something secretly, surreptitiously, or through trickery

'or without the owners permission.' I never granted anyone the right to take my money and waste it or even to take it in the first place.

Trickery - SS and Medicare are great examples of the governments trickery. They take the money, write a law that says it cannot be touched, then change the law and "borrow" the money. Now they claim the system is broke when they are the ones that spent the money and made it go broke.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:01 pm

Definitions change all the time.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/living/literally-definition
The definition of literally is no longer the literal definition of literally.


This is literally true, whatever that now means.

So I'm sorry, it is not literally stealing if the government literally decides that it is not literally stealing and you literally have to wait for the definition to catch up with the literal meaning which is then literally meaningless.

And I don't know what you are talking about with the SS and medicare is trickery, there are literally IOUs that the government has written to itself. I just wrote one for a billion dollars to myself, so I now literally have a billion dollars in the SpinnerMan Health Investment Trust or $HIT for short.
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby assateague » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:48 pm

:lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby ScaupHunter » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:34 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:Definitions change all the time.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/living/literally-definition
The definition of literally is no longer the literal definition of literally.


This is literally true, whatever that now means.

So I'm sorry, it is not literally stealing if the government literally decides that it is not literally stealing and you literally have to wait for the definition to catch up with the literal meaning which is then literally meaningless.

And I don't know what you are talking about with the SS and medicare is trickery, there are literally IOUs that the government has written to itself. I just wrote one for a billion dollars to myself, so I now literally have a billion dollars in the SpinnerMan Health Investment Trust or $HIT for short.


Exactly!
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Re: U.S.- War with Syria?

Postby beretta24 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 5:34 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:Definitions change all the time.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/15/living/literally-definition
The definition of literally is no longer the literal definition of literally.


This is literally true, whatever that now means.

So I'm sorry, it is not literally stealing if the government literally decides that it is not literally stealing and you literally have to wait for the definition to catch up with the literal meaning which is then literally meaningless.

And I don't know what you are talking about with the SS and medicare is trickery, there are literally IOUs that the government has written to itself. I just wrote one for a billion dollars to myself, so I now literally have a billion dollars in the SpinnerMan Health Investment Trust or $HIT for short.

:lol3: nice

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