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Postby ks_waterfowler » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:42 pm

Michael Pearce: Wildlife and Parks Commission needs to represent all hunters
By Michael Pearce

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/08/24/296193 ... rylink=cpy

Laughter erupted when Commissioner Don Budd boomed “we can do whatever we want” in response to a protocol question from Commissioner Roger Marshall at the Kansas Wildlife, Parks and Tourism Commission meeting Aug. 1 in Yates Center.

It won’t be so funny if those words become the motto for the current commission, especially when setting waterfowl seasons.

Budd, with the help of supporting commissioners, left biologists and many unhappy southeast Kansas hunters in his dust when he made 95 percent of that area’s duck season the latest days allowed.

Marshall insured it will be legal to shoot Canada geese during his sandhill crane hunts with buddies, though it could cost more than 10,000 other hunters a February week when many more Canadas are usually around. Marshall, of Great Bend, needed just some questionable excuses to back his cause and the debate-free vote of the other six commissioners to trump agency evidence that his season wasn’t the best for the masses.

After the vote, I asked Marshall if his hunt was a factor in his date request, and he admitted it was. He got the duck season for his area changed unanimously, too.

Let’s hope these aren’t part of an “I’ll scratch your back, if you scratch mine” commission trend.

Minority rules

All seven commissioners are avid outdoorsmen. Most hit the Kansas outdoors hard, hunt and fish in other states and own or lease lands where they spend high amounts of sweat and money for wildlife. To me they’re a relief compared to commissions when as many as three of seven members had no hunting or fishing experience.

Such passions have always come with desires, and commissioners have long probably voted toward what improves their hunting and/or fishing. It’s always been the job of other commissioners to make sure such desires aren’t detrimental to Kansas wildlife and sportsmen. They’re to do the same with agency proposals, too. Nobody wants them to back the department all of the time.

But the ease with which Marshall got his Canada goose season, which best serves a minority, makes it look like the other commissioners cared more about having Marshall’s back than about the best interests of most Canada goose hunters.

In the final minutes of the Yates Center meeting, Tom Bidrowski, Wildlife and Parks waterfowl biologist, gave the department’s recommendations for an Oct. 26-Nov.3 and Nov. 13-Feb. 16 Canada goose season. The first segment could allow crowds afield for the opening of the low plains late zone duck season a crack at Canadas. The second segment would take the season as late as federal frameworks permit, giving hunters maximum chances at often sizable north-bound February flocks. He mentioned specific requests from central Kansas hunters, including around Wichita, for the most February days possible.

Bidrowski admitted this season’s request was a departure from the past few, when the second segment opened the same as sandhill crane season, which is the first Wednesday of November, so crane hunters could have a crack at Canadas. That meant the season had to close the second Saturday of February. Bidrowski showed proof Kansas generally has far more Canada geese in mid-February than early November, hence the department’s request for the later season. He also justified the proposed season change since Kansas has about 400 crane hunters but 14,000 goose hunters to consider.

Makes sense to manage for that majority … unless one of those 400 in the minority is a Wildlife and Parks commissioner.

Marshall and his hunting buddies take the opening of sandhill crane season seriously. They scout the best cropfields diligently, have great equipment and share their resources. Current commission chairman Gerald Lauber has been on their hunts as have some state politicians and Wildlife and Parks biggies. I’ve been twice for stories and photos. The time I carried a gun, in 2009, I never fired a shot but Marshall and crew did their best.

Most years, the first few days of crane season the hunters see good action on sandhills, white-fronted and Canada geese and ducks. Marshall apparently didn’t think three out of the four were enough, even though cranes and whitefronts usually greatly outnumber Canadas in early November.

Via Skype, Marshall protested the department request and offered his reasons for why the Canada season should continue to open early rather than run as late as possible. Without Canadas opening Nov. 6 this year, the same as crane season, he predicted an agricultural apocalypse with clouds of geese robbing cattle of waste grain from harvested cornfields and inflicting serious damage on young wheat fields.

“I think farmers will be very upset if we’re not out there defending their crops,” said Marshall, who called the opening of crane season, “probably the best goose week of the year in central Kansas.”

Sorry, those statements don’t fly with some facts.

Marshall and friends could still be out “defending” crops with a later Canada goose opener. They could be afield hunting cranes and whitefronts, which both normally are in far greater numbers than Canadas in early November. Shotguns booming at cranes and whitefronts will spook Canadas just fine.

As for the “best week goose week in central Kansas,” it’s certainly not for Canada geese. Bidrowski presented a chart showing about six percent of the state’s Canada goose harvest comes in early November, with the peak harvest times in late December through January.

Biologists at the Quivira National Wildlife Refuge, which is near where Marshall often hunts, report three of four years of data showed peak Canada goose numbers in about early December. The exception was the fall and winter of 2011-12 when peak numbers were in mid-February, the time Marshall’s proposal took from Kansas hunters.

On my central Kansas hunts it’s rare we get many Canadas until around Thanksgiving. Some of the best goose hunts of my life, including last year’s closing day, have been in February.

Despite the department’s request, charts and figures that showed theirs was the best Canada goose season for the majority of Kansas sportsmen, Marshall got his season on a 7-0 vote. So, the season opens the same as for cranes, and closes Feb. 9.

I was surprised at that, but I wasn’t surprised earlier in the meeting when Budd, as he did last year, got his version of a duck season for southeast Kansas.

Buddozing through

Most new commissioners take to their role gradually, getting their feet a little more wet at each meeting. Budd, of Kansas City, hit his first meetings in 2011 like a cannonball from the high dive with proposals that sounded more like demands. Most pertained to waterfowl, one of his main passions.

It’s obvious Budd, who’s succeeded in a variety of businesses including a pawn shop and farming, and who is a world-class clay target shooter, is used to success and getting his way. He once snapped, “Well look at it again!” when a Wildlife and Parks manager told commissioners he’d looked into one of Budd’s ideas, and didn’t think it worthwhile.

Twice last year, Budd told commissioners those who didn’t respect his waterfowling expertise — and vote his way — probably wouldn’t get his support on other issues. Several times he voiced his disrespect for the department’s waterfowl management plans, often referring to it as outdated and ill-advised.

Last year his main passion was to have as late a duck season as possible for southeast Kansas. In his defense, the southeast zone was created so the area’s hunters could take better advantage of late-arriving flocks of mallards. Before Budd arrived on the commission there were grumblings agency-recommended seasons still weren’t late enough.

Last year, he was the main reason the commission voted 4-3 against the department’s request for a season that went early November through early January and re-opened the last week of January. Biologists wanted those dates to insure those hunting shallow marshes might get several weeks of gunning on early migrants before freeze-up. Instead, the commission went with Budd’s design to place the entire 74-day season from mid-November through the last Sunday of January.

Budd, who manages a southeast Kansas hunting property that is at its best when the weather is at its worst, dictated a late season this year, too. This time he did offer Nov. 2-3 for early-season hunters along with the Nov. 16-Jan. 26 for late season shooting. In Yates Center he said his days would “satisfy 95-percent of the public.”

His percentages are off.

At the Yates Center meeting, people wanting as many late days or early days as possible were about equal. The early season guys, though, had a petition with 80 signatures. They also pointed out that a Wildlife and Parks graph showed about 55 percent of hunters wanted a season earlier than Budd was proposing.

Budd’s desires passed 6-1, meaning early season hunters got two days compared to his 72 days. Nothing else got serious consideration at the meeting. Seems to me there should have been room for compromise.

Actually those wanting more early-season days have a right to be at ticked at Wildlife and Parks, too, for coming with a framework that didn’t work last year. A recommendation that gave the early-season guys two weeks, which would have still allowed late-season hunters their coveted December and January days, might have worked.

Maybe some commissioners might have seen it as win-win and it would have passed …or maybe not. It might all boil down to the back-scratching thing.

Painful process

This year’s sliding of season dates are far from season-breakers. That we’ll have plenty of water, and the migrations should have a lots of birds are more important. Personally, Budd’s duck season works better for places I hunt in the southeast zone, but I’ll miss a potentially great week for Canada geese in February because of Marshall’s season. But I’ll hunt a lot this winter, no matter.

The discouraging thing is how the seasons were changed, with one commissioner making a suggestion and others following dutifully along.

Marshall’s request to also slide a week from first segment to the second of the low plains early duck zone season passed unanimously,too.

But it was the way his goose season was created, with Budd plainly telling Marshall to spell out exactly what he wanted for dates, that just seems wrong. There’s no way that can be seen as being in the best interest of the majority of Kansas goose hunters, yet the vote was quick and with no debate, and I don’t know why.

I’ve wondered if commissioners are intimidated by Budd. I worry they think if they vote along, they’ll someday get reciprocal backing when they have an agenda of their own.

That, I don’t think, would be a laughing matter.

Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/08/24/296193 ... rylink=cpy
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Postby stevensinks » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:10 pm

Michael I read your story in the paper today. You hit the nail on the head and it needed to be said. Thank You

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Postby cluckmeister » Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:23 pm

I've always wondered who appoints these so called commissioners . I used to go to the meetings each year when the waterfowl seasons were set and it seems they never set the seasons as the majority wanted, so after figuring the gas money I was spending could be used to go on more hunting trips I quit going. It appears their uppity self righteous attitudes haven't changed although the faces and names have. One of the biggest blunders they approved was putting Cheyenne Bottoms and Quivra in different zones, it makes no sense what so ever when these 2 areas are about 20 miles apart as the duck flys. When one area freezes so does the other. I'm sure it was a good old boy idea with friends in mind. As for Mike Pearce, Im glad he had the jewels to print this story, So Mike here's one guy giving you a thumbs up.
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Postby jayhawkmarauder » Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:18 pm

It's to bad they don't do what's right for those that they represent. Cause it looks like they have no problem doing what benefits their own interest.
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Postby cluckmeister » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:01 pm

jayhawkmarauder wrote:It's to bad they don't do what's right for those that they represent. Cause it looks like they have no problem doing what benefits their own interest.


Isn't that what most Politian's and living high on the hog people do?
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Postby ks_waterfowler » Sun Aug 25, 2013 4:47 pm

For the record, I did not write that article. I do however feel his message needs to get out to the Kansas Waterfowl Hunters.
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Postby cluckmeister » Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:48 pm

kswaterfowler_ I fully agree
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Postby EcatMagoo » Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:59 pm

Politicians are pure evil! Can't stand them
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Postby ksgoosekillr » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:39 pm

whats funny is the commissioner for SE Kansas sets dates that cause hunters from that area to travel to an area of the Central Ks commissioner. So by voting for that late season he is just making the crowds that much worse in his home turf for the early season. I see a lot of hunters come hunt the central ks marshes that are from the kc, SE part of the state. Do you see the same in terms of central guys heading your way once the season opens? Ive hunted A LOT of places in this state and can honestly say ive never drove down there. The guys in the SE part of the state shouldn't be the only ones who are mad here. If the seasons opened around the same time it "might" limit the overcrowded hunting conditions in the central Kansas marshes. I don't know about you but id rather hunt a marsh an hour away vs a 3-4 hour drive. I think it would be fun to get a ton of guys together pool in some money and lease ground near Budds lease, then turn it into a refuge.
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Postby ksgoosekillr » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:40 pm

on a side note....

http://www.kansascity.com/2013/06/18/43 ... lists.html

seems like a stand up guy to me?

good to know we have tax evaders running the wildlife committee
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Postby wanapasaki » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:43 pm

You guys need to get the commissioners crap canned by any means necessary :thumbsup:
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Postby cluckmeister » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:48 pm

"I think it would be fun to get a ton of guys together pool in some money and lease ground near Budds lease, then turn it into a refuge." I think it would be more fun to get petitions started to have a recall on these 2 so called commissioners and get them kicked out of office.
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Postby ksgoosekillr » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:33 pm

cluckmeister wrote:"I think it would be fun to get a ton of guys together pool in some money and lease ground near Budds lease, then turn it into a refuge." I think it would be more fun to get petitions started to have a recall on these 2 so called commissioners and get them kicked out of office.


good luck with that considering they are appointed and not voted. The governor is the sole person in charge of this group of clowns. Each person of the seven person panel serves a 4 year staggered term.
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Postby radfordc » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:23 pm

ksgoosekillr wrote:whats funny is the commissioner for SE Kansas sets dates that cause hunters from that area to travel to an area of the Central Ks commissioner. So by voting for that late season he is just making the crowds that much worse in his home turf for the early season.


You don't really think that guy hunts public land, do you?
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Postby ksgoosekillr » Mon Aug 26, 2013 3:37 pm

probably not, but I can bet you people he knows well do hunt the bottoms and quivira and I bet you he does as well. how many duck hunters have you met that like tons of people driving from all over to hunt near you?
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Postby cluckmeister » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:40 pm

Perhaps its time to let our great state leader and wildlife and parks secretary know about the uppity self serving people that's on the commission. The cost in letting them know is the price of 2 stamps, 2 envelopes, 2 pieces of printer paper and 30 minutes of each one of our time.
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Postby mudpack » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:53 pm

Attaboy, Mike Pierce. He called it like so many of us saw it.
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Postby EcatMagoo » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:41 pm

Lets start by egging his house. Probably wouldn't help but it would be oh so much fun!!!
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Postby wanapasaki » Tue Aug 27, 2013 12:26 am

ksgoosekillr wrote:
cluckmeister wrote:"I think it would be fun to get a ton of guys together pool in some money and lease ground near Budds lease, then turn it into a refuge." I think it would be more fun to get petitions started to have a recall on these 2 so called commissioners and get them kicked out of office.


good luck with that considering they are appointed and not voted. The governor is the sole person in charge of this group of clowns. Each person of the seven person panel serves a 4 year staggered term.


LOL corrupt commissioners can still be removed from office, you guys that live out there need to look into the process and get some signatures
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Postby ks_waterfowler » Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:22 am

Not only did I send a letter to the governor, I have also called and emailed my state senator and house representative. We need to get vocal guys. Spread the word to all other waterfowlers. Make sure folks in your DU and Delta chapters know what is going on. If we can't pressure commissioners to do the right thing, its time to go above their heads.
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Postby mudpack » Wed Aug 28, 2013 9:02 am

ks_waterfowler wrote:Not only did I send a letter to the governor, I have also called and emailed my state senator and house representative.


Unfortunately, only the letter to the governor did any good. This commission answers only to Brownback, and Brownback doesn't answer to the state senate or house.

We ALL need to write to Brownback, saying something along the lines of "either you replace Budd and Marshall with regular duck hunters who hunt public land and know what the majority of Kansas outdoorsmen want, or you loose my vote next time and I'll do my darndest to see that your opponent gets elected".
If enough people give him that message, he'll take notice.
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Postby cluckmeister » Wed Aug 28, 2013 11:43 am

I agree with Mudpack, everyone concerned should contact the governor, Here is what my letter said

Dear Governor, with much interest I read an article in the August 25th Wichita Eagle by Michael Pearce concerning the last meeting of the Wildlife and Parks Commission After reading this article it was pretty obvious there are two commissioners that need to be replaced. The job of the people you appoint to the commission is to do the best thing for of the sportsman and sports ladies of our great state These two commissioners set the dates of the upcoming Duck season to meet their own agendas, they ignored the biologists recommendations completely and also ignored a petition presented to them by some very fine citizens. In my opinion we don't need a commissioner that states in a meeting that "We can do what ever we want." we also don't need people on the commission that make deals with others on passing rules favoring each other. Its time for these folks to be gone and replaced by people that actually know what the term Majority Rule means. Ive talked to several outdoorsmen and women since this article came out both in person and in internet chat and they are all appalled by these two commissioners and their self serving actions. Some have even commented that if things aren't changed in the commission, that you Sir, will not receive their campaign dollars or vote come the next election. This is an important issue that needs addressed, Thank You for your time

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Postby ks_waterfowler » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:13 pm

Yep. I know my senator was buddies with Sam before he was governor. I am hoping that he would say "He Sam I am getting alot of feedback about your appointments and they sound pissed". Might mean more coming from one of his friends rather than us. Never hurts to try.
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Postby cluckmeister » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:19 pm

Folks contact whomever you desire about this issue, your voice needs to be heard
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Postby John O`Neal » Wed Aug 28, 2013 7:44 pm

I`m sure I will be corrected if I`m wrong but I understood that after only one year of implementation there occurred a major reversal in position by hunters regarding the Southeast Zone hunting dates . I have read that 65% of the respondents were in favor of the late start, late finish dates. It appears that the commission responded to what hunters in the eastern part of our state were already well aware of . That being; that Eastern Kansas has a later migration pattern than the central or western areas. I do find it hard to understand the resistance to the Southeast Zone by central Kansas hunters not effected by the delayed opening date . I find it highly doubtful that hunters from the central part of the state are perplexed about their inability to hunt early migrants in the Southeast Zone that first two weeks in Nov. . After all central Kansas is noted for their quality of early migrant hunting. With that in mind I don't see how the formation of the SE zone adversely affected that .
The commissioners charged with representing all of us come from different parts of the state and subsequently have their own zones of interest . Commissioner Budd coming from Kansas City Kansas and owning waterfowl property in the SE zone can be expected to represent the interests of hunters in that region . Mr. Budd championed the inception of the SE zone and is a staunch supporter of it`s continued existence. It appears he has incurred the wrath of Mr. Pearce because of his vote supporting Mr. Marshall`s proposed changes . Please remember though It took more than commissioner Budd`s support to pass that change to the Canada season . Don`t get me wrong I personally believe Mr. Marshall was going in the wrong direction for the wrong reasons.
I don`t know commissioner Budd personally but coming from the same city I know of him. I know he is a very successful businessman who loves to hunt ducks just like the rest of us and believes in value of the later start dates for the eastern portion of the state . I can be envious, but I cannot fault him for his business successes or owning his own duck hole . If I hit the lottery tomorrow I would have my very own personal version of Habitat Flats .
So for you guys out there in central Kansas when January arrives and your season closes, come on over to the Southeast Zone and enjoy some late season Mallard shooting with us . Most of the hunters have quit by then so it`s rarely crowded. We`ll keep the light on for you. :hi:
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