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Re: Titties

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:28 am

assateague wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:And to end this thread, I'll post this definition... (Kudos and 1000 points to Underradar.)

Rule of capture
The rule of capture or law of capture is common law from England,[1] adopted by a number of U.S. jurisdictions, that establishes a rule of non-liability and ownership of captured natural resources including groundwater, oil, gas, and game animals. The general rule is that the first person to "capture" such a resource owns that resource.



How's that Crow taste Assa.... :hi:

Those Ducks are mine when I shoot them and the dog brings them to me and I thus maintain them in my possession. This thread is done, over, Good night.




Ok, obviously you've missed something. This whole thing started by Larry and others stating that I OWNED the wildlife on the hoof or the wing. Specifically, that if I hit a deer, the state doesn't have to pay because I own it. The federal govt couldn't be billed for "their" geese crashing a plane in the Hudson River. I said bullshit, if they exercise control (via 1-7) over them, that makes them theirs.

So really, the rule of capture doesn't change a thing. After further review, the play has been ruled an incomplete pass. No touchdown. Try again.

I must have missed where they claimed ownership of the live animals on the hoof or on the wing. The migratory Birds cross multiple national boundaries at any given period in the migration. The rule of capture also applies here, as no one owns them until they are dead in hand.

The duck on the wall-yes it is yours. the ones in your freezer, yep-you own those too; even though some of 1-7 on your list do not apply and you can not legally sell them. That was taken away when Market hunting became illegal.
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Re: Titties

Postby aunt betty » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:25 am

And it will be a long, long time before AT owns a pintail.
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Re: Titties

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:39 am

Bill Herian wrote:It's good to know I own the ducks I kill, you know, so I can throw them out on my front yard and let them rot if it so pleases me, being that they're mine.

law of capture applies here as well. In some states, you can freely pump water and if it runs your neighbors well dry, so be it...what you can not do is run the well dry through abuse and waste of said water and run your neighbors well dry. Same with game birds. You are free to take them, but not waste them.
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Re: Titties

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:40 am

I'll never "own" one.
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Re: Titties

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:42 am

assateague wrote:I'll never "own" one.

I might have to get with the Voodoo lady and make You a special mojo bag for pintails.... :wink: I'll need some eggshells from a pintail though, so any of you people in Canada that find pintail eggshells, please keep them and I will pm you an address to have them shipped to. :wink:
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Re: Titties

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:43 am

Ok, to clear it up.


I've been repeatedly asked for my definition of ownership, which I provided. Time for the rest of you to start ponying up what your definitions are, in between telling me that I'm wrong.
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Re: Titties

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:45 am

No way. You can keep your black magic.
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Re: Titties

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:50 am

assateague wrote:No way. You can keep your black magic.

:biggrin: I think I'll have her make you a pintail Voodoo doll instead....just be sure to hit it dead center with the needles.... :wink:
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Re: Titties

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:52 am

assateague wrote:Ok, to clear it up.


I've been repeatedly asked for my definition of ownership, which I provided. Time for the rest of you to start ponying up what your definitions are, in between telling me that I'm wrong.

I just wanted to clear up the confusion about ownership...when you shoot them and retrieve them-you own them.
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Re: Titties

Postby Bill Herian » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:15 am

Indaswamp wrote:
assateague wrote:Ok, to clear it up.


I've been repeatedly asked for my definition of ownership, which I provided. Time for the rest of you to start ponying up what your definitions are, in between telling me that I'm wrong.

I just wanted to clear up the confusion about ownership...when you shoot them and retrieve them-you own them.


Damn regulations made me think I only possessed them. Warden is going to get an earful this fall. :mad:

That makes sense, at the moment I take ownership of the bird, a whole new set of rules (that weren't there before) determining what can and cannot do with my newly acquired property come into play.
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Re: Titties

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:45 am

Indaswamp wrote:
assateague wrote:Ok, to clear it up.


I've been repeatedly asked for my definition of ownership, which I provided. Time for the rest of you to start ponying up what your definitions are, in between telling me that I'm wrong.

I just wanted to clear up the confusion about ownership...when you shoot them and retrieve them-you own them.



Define "own".
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Re: Titties

Postby bighop » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:52 am

whisperin' duck wrote:Y'all wanna get serious?

Say you're married a month and buy your wife a set. Two weeks later y'all divorce. Where do we go from here? You bought them with money you had before marriage and all she did was lay on the table.

It was a gift, you cannot take it back, at least in TX. Applies to the rings as well.
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Re: Titties

Postby bighop » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:54 am

Indaswamp wrote:I'll add this to the argument...
I own my body. It's mine (I'm a male so there are no abortion issues to address). As such, I can not sell my body to someone else for them to use as they see fit. I can not get a new body to replace the one I have now ( Not with today's medicine anyways, though that may change in the future).

You can sell some parts of it. You can also donate it after death. Those decisions are yours, but what happens to those parts you have no say in.
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Re: Titties

Postby bighop » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:55 am

assateague wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
assateague wrote:Ok, to clear it up.


I've been repeatedly asked for my definition of ownership, which I provided. Time for the rest of you to start ponying up what your definitions are, in between telling me that I'm wrong.

I just wanted to clear up the confusion about ownership...when you shoot them and retrieve them-you own them.



Define "own".

I assume my definition was acceptable?

What was it that you owned?
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Re: Titties

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:06 pm

assateague wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
assateague wrote:Ok, to clear it up.


I've been repeatedly asked for my definition of ownership, which I provided. Time for the rest of you to start ponying up what your definitions are, in between telling me that I'm wrong.

I just wanted to clear up the confusion about ownership...when you shoot them and retrieve them-you own them.



Define "own".

I don't have to really...law of capture says I own the birds when I take possession of them. That's the law. You want to go through semantic hoops to define "own", you go right ahead.
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Re: Titties

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:21 pm

I most certainly am not the one jumping through semantic hoops.

You say the rule of capture grants you ownership. Then it really shouldn't be hard to define what you think "ownership" means. I'm curious to hear what it means to you and others.
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Re: Titties

Postby Underradar » Thu Sep 12, 2013 12:23 pm

From Black's Law Dictionary:

OWNERSHIP
The legal right to enjoy, occupy, possess, rent, sell, use, donate or destroy property to which one has a lawful claim or title.


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Re: Titties

Postby i_willie12 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:07 pm

Helping the title a little! :biggrin: :biggrin:

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Re: Titties

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:20 pm

Well then. There you have it. Next deer I hit I'm suing the state for damages.
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Re: Titties

Postby bighop » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:23 pm

assateague wrote:Well then. There you have it. Next deer I hit I'm suing the state for damages.

Did you miss the non-liability part of the rule of capture?
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Re: Titties

Postby assateague » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:41 pm

Did you miss the "legal claim or title" part of ownership?
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Re: Titties

Postby jehler » Thu Sep 12, 2013 2:59 pm

copterdoc wrote:Okay, I'm officially cornfused.

What just happened?

And BTW, suck it Jehler.

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Re: Poachers

Postby Broken Paddle » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:24 pm

assateague wrote:I already told you, nobody owns land, it's just "leased" in perpetuity. Don't believe me? Stop paying taxes on it.


You do not own ANYTHING! You are only LEASING it from the, federal, state & local government!!!!!!!!

If I wanted to remodel my former house, I had to get permission from the town, "zoning", anything within 100' on "my" river bank, National Park Service, Wild & Scenic River designation. :mad: I damn near had to get permission to vacuum 1/2 of my house closest to the river!

Fed., state & local govt. can take your property at any time, just ask the folks in New London, CT!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Titties

Postby jehler » Thu Sep 12, 2013 3:57 pm

La. Hunter wrote:
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copterdoc wrote:Okay, I'm officially cornfused.

What just happened?

And BTW, suck it Jehler.

Have you seen my new watch?


I doubt he has. Why don't you email it to him?

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Re: Titties

Postby Lreynolds » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:14 pm

Indaswamp wrote:And to end this thread, I'll post this definition... (Kudos and 1000 points to Underradar.)

Rule of capture
The rule of capture or law of capture is common law from England,[1] adopted by a number of U.S. jurisdictions, that establishes a rule of non-liability and ownership of captured natural resources including groundwater, oil, gas, and game animals. The general rule is that the first person to "capture" such a resource owns that resource.


Those Ducks are mine when I shoot them and the dog brings them to me and I thus maintain them in my possession.


Absolutely right. But you can not shoot wild game whenever, wherever, however, and in any number that you want. Furthermore, you can not do whatever you want with the game AFTER you have taken private ownership of it. Why?

Because those are the pre-established rules that you agreed to abide by in exchange for taking game. Those things are controlled through regulations established through a representative process in which ALL citizens can participate. Why?

Because Supreme Court rulings have dictated that "wildlife is owned by the public" and ALL citizens, including all of us, are the "public". Consequently, ALL citizens are eligible to take wild game under those regulations, and ALL citizens can participate in the regulatory process that governs the taking of that game.

States regulate the take of resident game because they typically don't move between state jurisdictions; the feds regulate take of migratory birds because they clearly do move between states and countries. Those animals are owned by all of us, the public, until an individual, within the bounds of established hunting regulations, "reduces them (it) to possession". By successfully hunting, you have transferred ownership from the "public" to the "private". And if you don't follow the regulations and get caught, you get to reimburse the "public" for what you stole from them (all of us, the public, each and every one of us). And if those publicly-owned game animals damage your property, you will NOT be compensated outside of a previously-negotiated settlement ..... just like the previously-negotiated regulations that allowed you to transfer ownership form public to private during the hunting season.

All of you know these simple things to be true. But if you don't believe me, feel free to take game animals out of season or in excess of the limit, and see what happens when you are caught.
Feel free to sue the state or the feds over property damage caused by wildlife, and see what happens.

Nothing new, nothing innovative, nothing deeply philosophic ..... man, this thread goes above and beyone to obfuscate the obvious. :clapping: :clapping:
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