Jon Bergren wrote:Frank Lopez wrote:Ned, I'll try and make it simple so that you can understand it. No one is arguing that 5 pellets won't kill a goose. What is being contended is the ability to consistently put 5 pellets into a goose with a pattern that contains only 35 pellet strikes in a 30 inch circle. ONE pellet, properly placed will kill a goose! but the odds of that happening are remote, at best.
Killing geese with 35 pellets is your Idea. Pay attention just once and comprehend. The choke I use puts 68 pellets in the circle so you are actually putting 9+ pellets in the geese at 40 yds. Also the majority of first shots are taken at 20 yds in the decoys. Think of the number of pellets hitting the goose at 20 and 30 yds about 10. 7. 35 pellets in the circle is at 50 yds. Now I have made it as simple as I can. Oh, I forgot you probablly can't understand this simple explanation as you couldnn't figure out why the shotshell ejecta may spin and sometimes does. Ned S
You haven't proven that hypothesis yet Ned and I doubt we will ever see any conclusive published proof on it either. High speed pictures or published results from ballistic laboratories would be nice to see. Any of the high speed pictures I have seen and published on here clearly indicate that there is NO spin, including rifled slugs all from smooth bore barrels. The onus is upon you Ned to prove your claims.
Goosepit, Of course that load will work consistently so long as there are sufficient pellets in the pattern (60 to 65) to ensure that the probability of a pellet striking a vital organ is sufficient. The point here is that 35 pellets however well distributed in a 30 inch pattern, will not provide the necessary density to ensure that any bird caught in the pattern will be killed. Typically, we as sportsmen should be looking for something about 90% efficiency. The patterns that were originally posted meet that criteria. The belief that only 35 pellets are the minimum necessary do not.
Then why many of the geese I picked were killed dead and had only 5 pellets in them. I pick alot of geese in my day. I remember one Speck that lit dead at my feet had 4 BB's clear thru it because I shot it overhead, One pellet in each shoulder and one on each sideof the gut toward the rear. Non were in the head or neck because I examined it thoroughly. Again these findings are just as valid as anyone elses observations. Ned S
A necropsy on one bird hardly is sufficient population to establish a "rule"