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Big Game Troubles & Wolf Action info boys

Postby feathhd » Thu Sep 12, 2013 1:03 pm


Last week, opponents of sound wolf management held a national wolf rally in Washington, D.C. to build support around their radical idea that wolves should be re-listed as an endangered species. One rally speaker even went to far as to tell the lightly gathered crowd that wolves pose no threat to wildlife. The speaker also asserted that unmanaged wolves have had little negative impact on big game populations in the the Northern Rockies and Western Great Lakes.

Anyone that has spent time in the back country understands the serious negative consequences unmanaged wolves have had on other wildlife populations. Tags are being drastically cut in many areas, some hunting units are even closing due to inability of states to regulate wolf predation on elk, moose, deer.

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Postby Loventocthembounce » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:41 pm

They just just want to take all food out the woods so we have to buy it from the store and line there greedy pockets with cash then ppl will quit hunting and they will want our guns

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Postby dudejcb » Mon Aug 03, 2015 2:43 pm

This is pretty interesting and insightful.
The takeaways are: mountain lions and bears are the primary elk calf predators--not wolves; fires that open the forest floor to new, more nutritious plants, are good. This seems intrinsically correct, but I know it's popular to demonize wolves. ... a7a34.html

July 22, 2015 7:47 pm • By Perry Backus

In an elk’s world, the east and west forks of the Bitterroot are about as different as night and day.

Not only do elk have a better chance of becoming a predator’s next meal in the West Fork, the groceries they have to pick from have far less nutrition.

Their kin in the East Fork also carry extra body fat into the winter months and the cows are more likely to be pregnant and produce a calf in the spring.

That is some of the information shared Tuesday night by Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks researchers at a well-attended meeting in Hamilton hosted by the Ravalli County Fish and Wildlife Association.

Titled “Top down and bottom up effects on elk survival and recruitment in the Bitterroot Valley,” the talk offered a synopsis of information gathered during a three-year Upper Bitterroot Elk Ecology and Elk Calf Predation Project.

The study was a cooperative venture between FWP and the University of Montana, with much of the cost borne by a number of conservation and sportsmen’s organizations, including the Ravalli County Fish and Wildlife Association.

The study followed a dramatic drop in elk calf survival rates that started around 2005. The West Fork was especially hard hit, with elk numbers dropping from about 2,000 in 2005 to 754 in 2010.

Before study began, many blamed the drop on the area’s newest predator – wolves.

Researchers captured calves and fitted them with an ear tag fitted with a radio transmitter that emitted a mortality signal when one died. As quickly as possible, they would seek out the location of the transmitter and determine the cause of the calf’s death.

Mountain lions emerged as the top predator of elk calves in both the east and west forks.

That discovery led to another study to determine density of mountain lions in the area and eventually increased hunting quotas for the predator.

While much of the public’s focus on the study centered on the predator issue, another equally important aspect of research was ongoing.

On Tuesday, the study’s lead researcher, Kelly Proffitt, offered insights into the role habitat played on elk populations in both the east and west forks.

“Habitat drives ungulate populations,” Proffitt said.

While not that far apart in distance, the east and west forks represent two completely different habitat types.

The West Fork’s mostly forested, rugged mountainous terrain contrasts with the East Fork’s rolling grasslands, where large fires in the recent past have helped create better summer and winter range.

The research team established 236 sampling plots in the east and west fork areas where they systematically looked at the composition of plant species, the weight of the grasses and forbes that grew at each site, and then sent cuttings to a laboratory to determine how digestible the forage was for elk.

They also collected elk pellets to determine what plants the animals keyed in on.

When all the results were in, they found that the East Fork far outperformed the West Fork in growing the kinds of forage that packed on the kind of pounds cow elk need to make it through winter months while carrying a calf.

That’s something they saw when they captured the cow elk that were fitted with radio collars as part of the study.

The researchers used an ultrasound device to both measure body fat and to determine if the captured cow elk was pregnant. They found that not only was there a significant difference in body fat between the two populations, but the pregnancy rates were far lower in the West Fork cow elk as well.

About 73 percent of the cow elk sampled in the West Fork were pregnant. It was closer to 90 percent in the East Fork.

“We wanted to understand the whole story on what was going on with elk in the two areas,” Proffitt said.

The population of adult cows and calf survival are the two main factors that drive elk population, she said.

The information gathered through this study should help biologists predict different outcomes of varied management strategies.

State wildlife managers have already used some of the information gathered by the study to increase mountain lion quotas and lengthen the season for black bears.

Proffitt said the researchers plan to return to the southern Bitterroot next spring to repeat the calf survival study and re-measure mountain lion density.

“Our goal in coming back will be to determine if the mountain lion population has changed,” she said. “We also want to see if the changes in management have led to an increase in elk calf survival.”

FWP wildlife manager Mike Thompson said the study has changed the tone of the discussion.

“When we started down this road, we are all kind of searching for answers,” Thompson said. “We all had theories. We all came in angry. It was hard to sort all of this out.”

Thompson said former FWP biologist Craig Jourdonnais deserves a lot of credit for pushing this study forward.

Thompson knew they were on the right track in moving forward with the comprehensive study when, following a meeting in Darby, people came up and said that while they were angry that the state had messed up their elk herd, they believed the study was the right thing to do.

“Because of what we’ve learned, today we’re all talking a little more of a common language,” Thompson said.
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Postby Uneasyjmitchell » Fri May 20, 2016 6:55 am

Wild animals are gonna eat wild animals and thats nothing new. I just think the wolves maybe looked at as a big problem because they adapt. Why chase an elk, when they can kill huge cattle that doesnt run as fast! :thumbsup: Seems the wolf is too smart for their own good.
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Postby alanwebfoot » Sun May 22, 2016 6:54 am

check out the article in the latest American Hunter [NRA] about 19 calves[elk] found dead .None were eaten ,just ran down for ''something to do''.
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Postby Uneasyjmitchell » Thu Jun 16, 2016 1:08 pm

I dont know for sure, but I doubt wolves were just hunting for sport and not eating the kill, unless the kill was sick in some way. Not sure, youd have to ask a wildlife biologist.
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Postby The Pas Swamp Donkey » Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:43 pm

I've lived in wolf country for over 50 years, and I've yet to come across a "kill" that was for "sport". Usually the opposite occurs. You come onto a moose kill one day, and each day thereafter, there is less and less remaining, until you have nothing but a few red stains in the snow and some pieces of bone. Everything else is gone.

If you stumble onto a fresh or recent kill, you may observe that only the choice organ meats are gone, which is the preferable food for the wolf (and most other predators). If left undisturbed they will return to continue feeding until very little is left. This was the finding in the Isle Royale study on moose predation as well.

If the food is plenty,they can be opportunistic, and eat mainly the choice meats, but they usually will return to finish everything off. I've seen them go into a pile of rough fish (suckers, carp etc that the commercial fisherman toss onto the ice, but don't keep) and eat the guts out of each fish before they would come back to take the actual flesh/meat of the rest of the fish.
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Postby fowledlogic » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:16 pm

I live in wolf country. Wolves kill 'for joy'. We've had it happen in Idaho. Thankfully the anti's didn't win out. The hunting of wolves has been allowed here for some years. When I was a kid back in Minnesota wolves hadn't been protected yet, I don't think anywhere in the country except for national parks. Wolves were re-introduced to Idaho in the early 90's. Their numbers grew quickly. The prey species didn't know what hit them. Wolves hadn't been here in any numbers for a long time. They hammered the deer and elk.
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