stabbing in the dark wrote:You assume that the Articles prohibited secession, but there's really nothing that says that. "The union shall be perpetual" does not mean you cannot leave, it simply means that the Articles don't expire in 7 years, such as an indentured servitude, or something. (I'm assuming that the "perpetual" phrase is what you're talking about, not the other stuff in your quote)
Nothing says the union is perpetual other than it is formally called the "Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of Newhampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhodeisland and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia."
Whereas the Delegates of the United States of America in Congress assembled did on the fifteenth day of November in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Seventy seven, and in the Second Year of the Independence of America agree to certain articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of Newhampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhodeisland and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia in the Words following, viz. “Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of Newhampshire, Massachusetts-bay, Rhodeisland and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia.
Yeah, that just means that everybody can leave whenever they please from this perpetual union being created
Article III. The said states hereby severally enter into a firm league of friendship with each other, for their common defence, the security of their Liberties, and their mutual and general welfare, binding themselves to assist each other, against all force offered to, or attacks made upon them, or any of them, on account of religion, sovereignty, trade, or any other pretence whatever.
Unless they decide to not do so, then it's not binding at all. Maybe I help and maybe I just say adios.
Article IV. The better to secure and perpetuate mutual friendship and intercourse among the people of the different states in this union
and perpetuate only means as long as they feel like it. No set date, a week, a month, you know, whatever they feel like.
And that the articles thereof shall be inviolably observed by the states we respectively represent, and that the union shall be perpetual.
Unless of course, you wish to violate them and leave this temporary perpetual union.
If they meant indefinite, they were quite smart enough to use the word indefinite. Indefinite is NOT a synonym for perpetual.
unless such alteration be agreed to in a congress of the united states, and be afterwards con-firmed by the legislatures of every state.
It doesn't say "we'll kick this over to the states, and let them decide". It says "such alteration be agreed to by a congress of the untied states" (the part you bolded), and AFTERWARDS confirmed by the state legislatures. Please explain to me how the Constitution followed this path. There most assuredly was a Congress in the US under the Articles of Confederation. So why didn't THEY draft the Constitution, vote on it, and then send it to the states? We both know that is not what happened.
The Constitutional Convention was a
congress of the united states and not the
Congress of the United States. It is a description and not a title. This congress drafted the Constitution and it was then ratified by the state legislatures in order to make it the new legal charter of the nation. They were not a bunch of law breakers. They were following their existing charter to replace it with a new and improved charter. THEY did. They being the states through their delegations to the convention.
assateague wrote:I wasn't aware that if my wife decided to divorce me, that I was allowed to hunt her down and threaten to bring her back into the marriage at gunpoint.
If she claims the marriage is over and starts shooting at you because you won't leave the tree fort on what she claims as her property, you get to defend yourself, do you not?
But you are purposeful distracting from the argument that if the contract is perpetual it is like the Soviet Union. You agreed to just such a contract and swore and oath to God to abide by that. Perpetual unions are quite common. You voluntarily entered into one yourself, so I assume you didn't think it was a horrible thing, but maybe you did. I hope not.
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