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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:30 pm

boney fingers wrote:
dave79 wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:My insurance has made jumps and changes like that in the past, vj. (so far I'm experiencing very little change, but since it's never been a static affair, I won't be shocked if there are changes. And since virtually every single change I've dealt with in the past has gotten more expensive, I won't be particularly shocked when that happens)
I mean, who ever heard of insurance premiums going up before?

Your vision must be going in your older age. It's not that policies are going up. It is the plain and simple fact that people who are losing their insurance are having to pay a higher, much higher, rate when they sign up with obamacare.



When this plan was being shoved up the Americans back sides, Obama on many occasions promised it would save the average family $2500. So BDB2, was this a lie or will we all see these savings soon?

I'll answer-it was a lie.
premiums are going to go parabolic now. mark my words....
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby possumfoot » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:53 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
boney fingers wrote:
dave79 wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:My insurance has made jumps and changes like that in the past, vj. (so far I'm experiencing very little change, but since it's never been a static affair, I won't be shocked if there are changes. And since virtually every single change I've dealt with in the past has gotten more expensive, I won't be particularly shocked when that happens)
I mean, who ever heard of insurance premiums going up before?

Your vision must be going in your older age. It's not that policies are going up. It is the plain and simple fact that people who are losing their insurance are having to pay a higher, much higher, rate when they sign up with obamacare.



When this plan was being shoved up the Americans back sides, Obama on many occasions promised it would save the average family $2500. So BDB2, was this a lie or will we all see these savings soon?

I'll answer-it was a lie.
premiums are going to go parabolic now. mark my words....



i'm gonna do like the mexicans.. screw insurance, i'll just start using the er as primary care.. what are they gonna do, refuse care?? oh wait, they took an oath..
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby SpinnerMan » Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:58 pm

Not at all. Price controls are the next step. Quality will nose dive. Long waits. Less expensive testing equipment. The best and brightest will go into other fields. The investors will invest less in the field. It will take a little while, but that's the path the Democrats wish to take us down.

I can't image how long my wife would have had to wait and how bad her care would be if we lived in Canada or the U.K. or her if Obama gets all he wishes.
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby cartervj » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:01 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
boney fingers wrote:
dave79 wrote:
blackduckdog2 wrote:My insurance has made jumps and changes like that in the past, vj. (so far I'm experiencing very little change, but since it's never been a static affair, I won't be shocked if there are changes. And since virtually every single change I've dealt with in the past has gotten more expensive, I won't be particularly shocked when that happens)
I mean, who ever heard of insurance premiums going up before?

Your vision must be going in your older age. It's not that policies are going up. It is the plain and simple fact that people who are losing their insurance are having to pay a higher, much higher, rate when they sign up with obamacare.



When this plan was being shoved up the Americans back sides, Obama on many occasions promised it would save the average family $2500. So BDB2, was this a lie or will we all see these savings soon?

I'll answer-it was a lie.
premiums are going to go parabolic now. mark my words....



I've been on my wife's insurance for 15 years, I have my own policy since mid summer. Both are BCBS thru the State. We had one increase in 15 years. We were on the family plan that was offered, went from $200 to $255 in 15 years while copays went down from $35 to $25 and generics went to $5.00 for 90 days from 30 days.
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:05 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:Not at all. Price controls are the next step. Quality will nose dive. Long waits. Less expensive testing equipment. The best and brightest will go into other fields. The investors will invest less in the field. It will take a little while, but that's the path the Democrats wish to take us down.

I can't image how long my wife would have had to wait and how bad her care would be if we lived in Canada or the U.K. or her if Obama gets all he wishes.

those are the two options-prices rise or quality of care suffers...

It does not have to be this way though. The lobbyists for the medical industry, insurance and big pharma wrote the fustercluck that is Obamacare. They were attempting to protect the price gouging, and monopoly practices in place...as well as the cartelization of medical care.
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby cartervj » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:09 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:Not at all. Price controls are the next step. Quality will nose dive. Long waits. Less expensive testing equipment. The best and brightest will go into other fields. The investors will invest less in the field. It will take a little while, but that's the path the Democrats wish to take us down.

I can't image how long my wife would have had to wait and how bad her care would be if we lived in Canada or the U.K. or her if Obama gets all he wishes.

those are the two options-prices rise or quality of care suffers...

It does not have to be this way though. The lobbyists for the medical industry, insurance and big pharma wrote the fustercluck that is Obamacare. They were attempting to protect the price gouging, and monopoly practices in place...as well as the cartelization of medical care.



A bill is being introduced that forces Doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid. No wonder Drs are retiring as fast as they can.
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Nov 03, 2013 8:13 pm

cartervj wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
SpinnerMan wrote:Not at all. Price controls are the next step. Quality will nose dive. Long waits. Less expensive testing equipment. The best and brightest will go into other fields. The investors will invest less in the field. It will take a little while, but that's the path the Democrats wish to take us down.

I can't image how long my wife would have had to wait and how bad her care would be if we lived in Canada or the U.K. or her if Obama gets all he wishes.

those are the two options-prices rise or quality of care suffers...

It does not have to be this way though. The lobbyists for the medical industry, insurance and big pharma wrote the fustercluck that is Obamacare. They were attempting to protect the price gouging, and monopoly practices in place...as well as the cartelization of medical care.



A bill is being introduced that forces Doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid. No wonder Drs are retiring as fast as they can.

I predicted that this would happen also. And it is. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the liberals said we'd have plenty of doctors to cover all the new people. smh!

shall I go bump where I made this prediction for the naysayers?
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby assateague » Sun Nov 03, 2013 9:35 pm

I'm still waiting for BDD2 to post some links showing the plethora of enrollees in his state, which he claims refutes the numbers given.



Stiiiiiiiilllllllll waiting.
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby cartervj » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:06 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/31/in-first-month-the-vast-majority-of-obamacare-sign-ups-are-in-medicaid/


The first month of the new health law’s rollout reveals an unexpected pattern in several states: a crush of people applying for an expansion of Medicaid and a trickle of sign-ups for private insurance.
This early imbalance — in some places, nine out of 10 enrollees are in Medicaid — has taken some experts by surprise. The Affordable Care Act, which expanded Medicaid to cover millions of the poorest Americans who couldn’t otherwise afford coverage, envisions a more even split with an expanded, robust private market.
“When we first saw the numbers, everyone’s eyes kind of bugged out,” said Matt Salo, who runs the National Association of Medicaid Directors. “Of the people walking through the door, 90 percent are on Medicaid. We’re thinking, what planet is this happening on?”
The yawning gap between public and private enrollment is handing Republicans yet another line of criticism against President Obama’s health overhaul — that the law is primarily becoming an expansion of a costly entitlement program.
Supporters, however, caution against reading too much into the early numbers. Some of the states that set up their own exchanges, including Maryland, are suffering Web site glitches similar to those of the national system, and that is delaying private plan enrollments.
But if this trend continues, experts say it could prove costly for states that will have to help pay for some of these new Medicaid enrollees. It would widen disparities between the states that opted to expand the entitlement program and those that have not.


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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby cartervj » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:10 pm

Indaswamp wrote: A bill is being introduced that forces Doctors to accept Medicare and Medicaid. No wonder Drs are retiring as fast as they can.
I predicted that this would happen also. And it is. But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO the liberals said we'd have plenty of doctors to cover all the new people. smh!
shall I go bump where I made this prediction for the naysayers?


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/11/04/affordable-care-act-could-be-further-hamstrung-by-shortage-of-doctors/


NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — A doctor shortage is threatening to make the roll-out of the Affordable Care Act even more difficult — and it could create lines for care and services.

New Yorkers are notorious for wanting things immediately, and that includes medical care.

But even doctors who support Obamacare say there could be delays due to more patients and fewer doctors, CBS 2’s **** Brennan reported Monday.

“It’s like shopping during Christmas time. I mean, you’re going to have a tough time if you have all of these people demanding services at the same time,” said Dr. Steven Lamm of the NYU School of Medicine.

Lamm said the Affordable Care Act could mean an explosion of demand for doctors and services, but will the system be able to handle it?

“I think the concern would be that the system will be overwhelmed, that there will be a greater demand that we can meet in a quality fashion and that we will have to delay services for a lot of individuals,” Lamm said.

Right now, there is already a shortage of 20,000 doctors nationwide, and with healthcare expansion, plus increasing population, there will be a need for about 52,000 primary care doctors by 2025.


This while only 20 percent of new doctors become primary care physicians and the new landscape has older doctors bailing, Brennan reported.


“Doctors are planning to retire. Anybody who is anywhere near retirement age is talking about retirement. … There’s just too much going on,” said Dr. Sam Unterricht of the New York State Medical Society.

Others fear that centralizing medical care will squeeze out small independent doctor groups, groups that insurers claim are more expensive, in favor of large centralized care.
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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:34 pm

cartervj wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/31/in-first-month-the-vast-majority-of-obamacare-sign-ups-are-in-medicaid/


The first month of the new health law’s rollout reveals an unexpected pattern in several states: a crush of people applying for an expansion of Medicaid and a trickle of sign-ups for private insurance.
This early imbalance — in some places, nine out of 10 enrollees are in Medicaid — has taken some experts by surprise. The Affordable Care Act, which expanded Medicaid to cover millions of the poorest Americans who couldn’t otherwise afford coverage, envisions a more even split with an expanded, robust private market.
“When we first saw the numbers, everyone’s eyes kind of bugged out,” said Matt Salo, who runs the National Association of Medicaid Directors. “Of the people walking through the door, 90 percent are on Medicaid. We’re thinking, what planet is this happening on?”
The yawning gap between public and private enrollment is handing Republicans yet another line of criticism against President Obama’s health overhaul — that the law is primarily becoming an expansion of a costly entitlement program.
Supporters, however, caution against reading too much into the early numbers. Some of the states that set up their own exchanges, including Maryland, are suffering Web site glitches similar to those of the national system, and that is delaying private plan enrollments.
But if this trend continues, experts say it could prove costly for states that will have to help pay for some of these new Medicaid enrollees. It would widen disparities between the states that opted to expand the entitlement program and those that have not.


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Can I get a bigDUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: Number Between 5 and 7

Postby cartervj » Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:58 pm

I know Inda, like you I mentioned a few years back when there was a big increase in Drs getting head shots . They needed them to go back to college and were looking into to MBAs cause administrative jobs would be paying more under ObamaCare. Along with the NEW Taxes hitting the first of the year, gonna get interesting politically. :yes:


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Word from the street is that Kathleen Murphy, a democrat running for the House, wants to make it a legal requirement that doctors accept Medicare and Obamacare patients.
Many doctors, of course, have already announced that will not accept such patients because they would go bankrupt if they did. The government’s payout on medical services rendered to patients in these groups is a total joke, you see: doctors sometimes receive only 30% of what they actually billed. And they can’t negotiate, either. The government simply tells you what you “get” to receive in terms of payment, regardless of how much you actually billed as a doctor.
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