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Obama on a one year waiver for changing policies...

Postby beretta24 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:32 pm

"The key point is that it allows us to be able to say to the folks who receive these notices, look, you know, I, the president of the United States, and the insurance -- the insurance model of the Affordable Care Act -- is not going to be getting in the way of you shopping in the individual market that you used to have," he said.


Either he is a compulsive liar, or has no flipping idea what he is talking about. The ACA does nothing BUT limit choices in the individual market by design, as crafted by the lobbyists from the healthcare and insurance industries. How can people fall for this?!?!?!?!?!
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Re: Obama on a one year waiver for changing policies...

Postby assateague » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:39 pm

And where are the liberals who were screaming about "IT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND! IT'S BEEN PASSED AND THE SUPREME COURT UPHELD IT! DEAL WITH IT!"

One of two things just happened:
1. Obama dictated to private companies what they would do (unconstitutional)
2. Obama changed the law which was passed (unconsitutional)

There's really no other way around this. I don't expect either the resident liberals or the media to touch this with a ten foot pole, but that doesn't change the reality of what I just said.
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Re: Obama on a one year waiver for changing policies...

Postby beretta24 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 1:57 pm

assateague wrote:And where are the liberals who were screaming about "IT'S THE LAW OF THE LAND! IT'S BEEN PASSED AND THE SUPREME COURT UPHELD IT! DEAL WITH IT!"

One of two things happened:
1. Obama dictated to private companies what they would do (unconstitutional)
2. Obama changed the law which was passed (unconsitutional)

There's really no other way around this. I don't expect either the resident liberals or the media to touch this with a ten foot pole, but that doesn't change the reality of what I just said.

And the above is what he said today about allowing people to keep their existing plans another year. It appears he's doubling down on the practice of changing the law through the executive branch. :fingerhead:

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Re: Obama on a one year waiver for changing policies...

Postby boney fingers » Thu Nov 14, 2013 3:11 pm

Hey, slow and the other libs out there, will the next President be able ,in your eyes, to change Obama care to their liking with just a press conference.
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Re: Obama on a one year waiver for changing policies...

Postby dudejcb » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:08 pm

Been quite a while since I've visited DHC, and I didn't see Obama's press conference, and since no other "libs" have jumped in, I'll respond to you BF.

I think the office of the President has some powers to utilize if warranted. May take an Executive Order rather than just a press release however.
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Re: Obama on a one year waiver for changing policies...

Postby beretta24 » Thu Nov 14, 2013 5:28 pm

Where ya been dude?
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Re: Obama on a one year waiver for changing policies...

Postby SpinnerMan » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:34 am

beretta24 wrote:
"The key point is that it allows us to be able to say to the folks who receive these notices, look, you know, I, the president of the United States, and the insurance -- the insurance model of the Affordable Care Act -- is not going to be getting in the way of you shopping in the individual market that you used to have," he said.


Either he is a compulsive liar, or has no flipping idea what he is talking about. The ACA does nothing BUT limit choices in the individual market by design, as crafted by the lobbyists from the healthcare and insurance industries. How can people fall for this?!?!?!?!?!

Do you think he has even read the bill yet?

Just think how Image up our country is that the President's signature piece of legislation was not even read by him or anyone else before it was imposed on society as federal law.

He is a figurehead in every sense of the word. I don't expect the guy to write the legislation, but to be so totally clueless. He probably should have personally invested 100's of hours in the details of what is in the bill and what it will do. It was his signature piece of legislation and to be so totally disinterested in the details is unbelievably dysfunctional.

dudejcb wrote:I think the office of the President has some powers to utilize if warranted. May take an Executive Order rather than just a press release however.
But those powers do not allow him to either: 1. dictated to private companies what they would do; or 2. change the law which was passed.

He is obligated to EXECUTE the laws. He may issue orders related to the execution of the law. He may not exceed the limits of the law.

The law says you cannot sell crack (pick any law). The President issues an executive order saying that you can for one year. Is that a defense in court? No. Congress passed the law. The President does not hold a trump card. The Courts are obligated to live by the law and not subject to the orders of the President. The President can choose how to enforce the laws and how resources are distributed. He cannot change the law. You are still a criminal for violating the law even if the President is not enforcing that law.

What Ford did with pardoning before conviction is also breaking the law. He can pardon them after they are convicted for violating the ACA. He cannot issue a pardon before they are convicted and sentenced. Unless you believe the President is a dictator and holds the trump cards over the Courts and Congress. Co-equal or dictator. We have been moving toward dictator for a long time. This is another big bold and dangerous step toward the authoritarian presidents. But before you go down the two wrongs make a right argument, it is not the first and not the worst. Just the latest.
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