Underradar wrote:If you are gonna be a duckhunting badass, you need that barrel sticker that reads:
Prison Is My Futre
copterdoc wrote:trim, for grinding.
Bloke wrote:It seems that I am hearing more and more about
ScaupHunter wrote:There are good and bad cops out there.
Courthouse News reports that the defendants include former Chicago Police Commander Jon Burge, who is notorious for leading a group of detectives and officers known as the "Midnight Crew." This group has been connected with hundreds of cases of brutal interrogation, including electric shock and mock executions, in an effort to obtain confessions.
WTN10 wrote:Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
charlie beard wrote:The other cops standing there were just as guilty in my book.
assateague wrote:I'm all about individual responsibility. Lord knows, you guys hear it enough from me. So I don't want what I'm going to say to be misconstrued. An "excuse" or explanation for an action does not absolve one from the consequences of that action, and I fully expect one to pay the price for it (hence the "personal responsibility")
It seems to me that a lot of this behavior can be attributed to the current "culture" of the police forces, rather than strictly an individual cop issue. Over the past few years, police have become increasingly militarized, and have completely gotten away from the community-based civil servants which they were for so long. Now, it's difficult at best to tell the difference between a cop writing a speeding ticket and a soldier in Afghanistan, perhaps with the exception of the helmet, including their actions towards the people they interact with on a daily basis. The "culture" has increasingly become combative rather than helpful, and to lay it all on the hands of society ("we never used to have armed drug dealers", or some such nonsensical argument) is stupid. There have always been criminals. There have always been bad people. Cops have always been in a dangerous profession. The only real difference is the attitude in which they see themselves.
They dress in tactical gear, complete with plate-carrying body armor. They see themselves as an elite military force. They pretty much practice military tactics. When these things occur, a default to the "respect my authoritah" attitude can hardly be far behind. I'm not sure why it happened, but cops acting (and being treated as) a military force in hostile territory is counterproductive to their role in society. But guess what? They have bought into it, and like it. So you get this sort of nonsense.
Just my opinion, but it seems to be true. None of this excuses their actions, but it may explain them.
But what about when they did this BEFORE youtube?ctdeathfrombelow wrote:Go on youtube and look up some of the videos on there. It's no wonder so many people hate cops, when they're beating people and shooting their dogs for no reason.
SpinnerMan wrote:But what about when they did this BEFORE youtube?ctdeathfrombelow wrote:Go on youtube and look up some of the videos on there. It's no wonder so many people hate cops, when they're beating people and shooting their dogs for no reason.
I know this stuff was happening decades ago, but nobody had cellphone cameras.
Reading it in the paper with no pictures or having it passed along by word of mouth does not have anywhere close to the impact of one youtube video. BTW, youtube is not even 1 decade old. Cellphone video in not old. It used to be if the professional news was not present, there was no video and probably not even any decent photos.
I get what all you are saying, but there is strong evidence that a lot this stuff was happening long ago. Who has not heard stories about this kind of thing? If not, maybe you didn't hang around with a low enough class of people.
I've heard stories from my grandfather and his brother-in-law about this douche power tripping cop. One time by chance this cop pulled my grandfather over. My grandfather knocked the cop out cold on the side of the road and left. If you know my grandfather, you would not doubt the story. He was quick and generally very effective with the fists. I think he got in his last bar fight when he was about 60.
I just think the effect of cameras in public and in the interrogation rooms has a much large impact of reducing this thing than the effect you all describe. The public is also a lot less accepting of this kind of behavior because it's a lot harder to say they deserved it when you have the video and it's clear it wasn't a smack upside the head, but far worse.
ctdeathfrombelow wrote:I don't doubt it's been happening for a while, but there's been in influx of it recently, maybe with in the last 20-30 years. I say bring back shiny shoes, ties, and 8 pointed hats.
charlie beard wrote:Not a cop but an example Zimmerman.
God only knows what he would have been like with a badge on.
MORGAN: You felt that there was no doubt in your mind from what Trayvon was telling you on the phone about the creepy ass cracka and so on, that he absolutely believed that George Zimmerman, this man, you didn't know who he was at the time, but this man, was pursuing him?
MORGAN: And he was freaked out by it?
JEANTEL: Yes. Definitely after I say may be a rapist, for every boy, for every man, every -- who's not that kind of way, seeing a grown man following them, would they be creep out?... And people need to understand, he didn't want that creepy ass cracker going to his father or girlfriend's house to go get -- mind you, his little brother was there. You know -- now, mind you, I told you -- I told Trayvon it might have been a rapist."