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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby Slidellduckhunter » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:43 am

And...there is more...after we came in from hunting ducks and geese from the marsh around Lake Borgne (Dad had a 28 ft Chris Craft as a base of operations) we'd fish for redfish off the boat and then gather local wild oysters and eat fried oyster po' boys on the boat - Louisiana is a true Sportsman Paradise (as the slogan goes). I wonder sometimes why I left...hmmm...
Do you know why Cajuns don't hunt elephants? Because the decoys won't fit in their pirogues!
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby goosepond » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:52 am

waveslider wrote:Do you understand public hunting opportunities in Idaho and NM? Some people seem to think that the farmer's fields they have access to hunt on are somehow public property? Idaho has a big river through it (not near as big as the Mississippi) and other than that, there isn't much of a refuge system. A few reservoirs and that's it.

There was even a suggestion here to OUTLAW a farmer's right to lease out his own property? Please go back to California with that socialist idea. The landowner is just that - OWNER. That land is not public.


I agree in some with your's and others statements, but, I am not sure where you got the notion that there was or is a suggestion out there to outlaw a farmers right to lease his own property. Furthest from the truth, there never was nor is there that suggestion. Thats what the OGLB would have you believe and some others who are pushing the outfitting and guiding issue, but, it was and is not the truth.

As far as video's and drawing other states into Idaho for waterfowling, believe it or not but there have been filming crews for National companies filming videos and publishing them in Idaho for years. In fact one of the guys I hunt with just saw a show on tv just about a month ago that even had a map on the show pin pointing where these hunters were at and described the area near Pocatello and the Fort Hall Indian reservation and had a full 30 minute tv show on hunting there.

So, if you dont think it isnt here, your mistaken folks and it is drawing more and more people all the time. So I would laugh so hard at Blackfoot. And if you dont think if the guiding issues passes that there wont be more people here from other areas of the country to "just see" what its all about, your mistaken there too. There are many Idahoan's that go on hunts all over the country and when they go, they brag and bost how good they have it and believe me, they do get other OOS's to come to Idaho.

We are are own worst enemy and it wont stop.

Its all here and here to stay, and only get worse.
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby jdinid » Tue Jan 07, 2014 10:11 am

waveslider wrote:
jdinid wrote:
drakz wrote:I'm not concerned about out of state guys. What I wish would go away is it being legal to Pay a land owner for a hunting right. Duck Clubs and Paying Farmers to hunt should go away.


Amen. But that particular genie is now out of the bottle. Keeping it under control will be almost impossible.


Maybe I mis-understood this too?


Yes. You at least misunderstood my response.

Farmers and ranchers used to be a lot more friendly and accommodating than they are today. That's a fact and that's what I was lamenting. I don't like the fact people are now being charged to hunt on private land but it's private property and I'm a very strong proponent of property rights. If a farmer or rancher decides they can make a buck charging for access to their land, more power to them. That doesn't mean that I have to like it but it does mean that I have to deal with it. What bothers me even more is that it's difficult just to find someone that will even let you pay to hunt their land. A lot of that has to do with bad experiences but a lot of it also has to do with corporations buying large swaths of land and locking them down for development sometime in the future. Corporate lawyers say "no hunting". Yes, it's legal. Yes, I support their right to do what they will with their property but yes, for the average hunter, it sucks. What allowing guides and outfitters will do is drive the cost of hunting what private land is available through the roof by adding a middleman.

Welcome to progress. It's a double edged sword.
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby Blackfoot Inc » Tue Jan 07, 2014 12:48 pm

BINGO jdinid!
Prices will skyrocket!!!
We once could purchase Landowner Tags for $500-$1000 for elk, they now sell for 8k-10k.
Guides/outfitters have driven prices so high that rather then lease or buy landowner tags groups from Texas (in our case) have started just purchasing property with tags, they then sell those overpriced tags to meet their financial obligation, and hunt for free. However, our Game Dept has now cut landowner tags allotted to ranchers in half, which will again force prices upwards, supply and demand. If you honestly don't believe hunting programming (TV, Video) has an effect, think again! Jackie Bushman, Will Primos, Michael Waddell and yes, Chad Belding directly effect our state(s) hunting, you almost can't watch an elk hunting episode that wasn't filmed in NM or AZ. See for yourself.

How does this effect waterfowl? Every fall caravans of non-resident hunters flock to NM to hunt Big Game and what do they see, public land, and lots of it full of hunting opportunities that they don't have in Texas. So now these same Big Game Outfitters are now capitalizing on waterfowl by leasing property, and what does this do to the market, it drives costs up. This is to the point the OP was referencing to. Your Utah/California is our Texas and yes Louisiana. Just look at Colorado, Stillwater Outfitters has leased farmland from Denver to Cheyenne Wyoming for geese and ducks, guess who his prized client is "Yup" Chad Belding, Cha-Ching!!

Research Iowa and see what land values have become as a result of Whitetail hunting, and I know none of us have ever seen a television program shot in Iowa, for that matter how about the Milk river in Montana. I wonder what farmers in Saskatchewan and Alberta think of they're property values :grooving: so, don't say they won't come to "Bum####NM/ID" because they will and are.

Open your eyes, the sky is not falling, but if you want quality hunting opportunities for your Children and their children it's time to act.
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby hntndux » Tue Jan 07, 2014 5:59 pm

Hate to say it cause I feel your pain..Calif waterfowl hunting the last 5-8 years has sucked, blinds everywhere in rice that do-not produce and some sucker every year willing to throw down. Half of Idaho's population is from another State, so that argument is weak..From what I hear the only reason all that corn is there is from California dairymen coming up there and requiring it.. ??Idaho and Washington have developed over the last 25 years into farming States, before that all those Mallards didn't stay there anyway..
You cant grow a million acres of corn and hold all the Mallards then tell everyone else to stay home..That Wouldn't be Sportin!!!
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby jdinid » Tue Jan 07, 2014 6:44 pm

hntndux wrote:Hate to say it cause I feel your pain..Calif waterfowl hunting the last 5-8 years has sucked, blinds everywhere in rice that do-not produce and some sucker every year willing to throw down. Half of Idaho's population is from another State, so that argument is weak..From what I hear the only reason all that corn is there is from California dairymen coming up there and requiring it.. ??Idaho and Washington have developed over the last 25 years into farming States, before that all those Mallards didn't stay there anyway..
You cant grow a million acres of corn and hold all the Mallards then tell everyone else to stay home..That Wouldn't be Sportin!!!


Lol!
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby goosepond » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:53 am

Now everyone seems to have it :grooving: Should have been on this band wagon several years ago. It may be to late to save some of Idaho's best waterfowling in years to come cause unless there is one h**l of an uproar and serious sommitment of resources to go after the State legislators to protect out waterfowling, just like they made hunting part of our State constitution last year, get them to stop outfitting and guiding. Get them to put it on the ballot as a referendum this fall or if the State Outfitters and Guides Association gets it through the legislators, get a state wide referendum on the ballot this fall to prohibit guiding for waterfowl and turkey. There has been a moritorium on it, except for 4 guides in East idaho who were grandfathered in, for over 20 years and there was no need for it, so why the need now? There isnt and it couldnt and cant be shown other than persoan desires and then to really drive up the price of our hunting in Idaho.

Go gettem guys and get everyone that you know to go after them and to the governor, your legislators and whoever will listen. Times running short, dont pass up your chance to get it stopped. It doesnt take long for an email to be sent opposing this insanity by a dictatorial State Agency that wont listen to anyone of their public consituants except those guides who are willing to pay any kind of money to get more money.

STOP OUTFITTING AND GUIDING FOR WATERFOWL AND TURKEY :hammer: :hammer:
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby hntndux » Wed Jan 08, 2014 5:41 pm

I thought Outfitting/guiding for waterfowl in Idaho was illegal?? what am I missing.
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby goosepond » Thu Jan 09, 2014 8:56 am

hntndux wrote:I thought Outfitting/guiding for waterfowl in Idaho was illegal?? what am I missing.

It is. But, there were 4 outfitters in East Idaho years ago, long before the moritoium was put in place that were grandfathered in. They have specific areas they can hunt, its not wide open to them. Otherwise no outfitting or guiding for waterfowl. Turkey also has a few grandfathered but I cant tell you much about them.
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby shotgunjim » Thu Jan 09, 2014 11:01 pm

Tenner wrote:Hey fellow fowlers! Question....How many of you are fed up with out of state hunters? I know I am...I mean I know that it brings revenue to the state and such, but come on...I have grown up in Idaho and love it here, we really have it made in waterfowling. So much open land to hunt that is free! I was unable to hunt today because a field we were planning on hunting had a bunch of guys from utah on...They paid money for it, we can hunt it during the week but not the weekends. This is the 2nd field I know of that they have done this. I was told that they came up writing checks this fall. They way I see it is if these utah guys are going to come in and throw their money around, maybe we need to petition to get the out of state license fees raised for waterfowl. Obviously they will continue to come up here...we should make it worth while for our state. If I started one, who would sign it?

As it sits right now, $97.75 will buy you a license for our 106 day season, which is one the longest season in the west if I remember correctly. Thats $1.08 a day to come hunt here. Thats cheap!!!! I think it needs to be raised to something like $400.00 Thats still $3.77 a day! People buy up out of state big game tags and they are not cheap! So lets do it for our waterfowl as well. People buy up Rez passes at $500 bucks to hunt ducks and geese out there...The Indians have got it figured out!


I'd sign your little petition if you wern't such a jackass.

1. Every state in the Pacific flyway has a 106 day season. Not just Id.

2.NRs buying up big game tags? Why do think you're able to purchase a 2nd deer permit????? because NRs are NOT buying them up like you claim.

3. So this field that you hunt, must be one hell of a field? You pound it during the week and Utards pound it on the weekends and it still produces??? Ok whatever.

4. Your $1.08 or $3.77 a day or whatever your point is, is stupid. Do you really think these guys or anybody for that matter hunts EVERY day of the season????
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby hntndux » Fri Jan 10, 2014 9:38 am

:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:
shotgunjim wrote:
Tenner wrote:Hey fellow fowlers! Question....How many of you are fed up with out of state hunters? I know I am...I mean I know that it brings revenue to the state and such, but come on...I have grown up in Idaho and love it here, we really have it made in waterfowling. So much open land to hunt that is free! I was unable to hunt today because a field we were planning on hunting had a bunch of guys from utah on...They paid money for it, we can hunt it during the week but not the weekends. This is the 2nd field I know of that they have done this. I was told that they came up writing checks this fall. They way I see it is if these utah guys are going to come in and throw their money around, maybe we need to petition to get the out of state license fees raised for waterfowl. Obviously they will continue to come up here...we should make it worth while for our state. If I started one, who would sign it?

As it sits right now, $97.75 will buy you a license for our 106 day season, which is one the longest season in the west if I remember correctly. Thats $1.08 a day to come hunt here. Thats cheap!!!! I think it needs to be raised to something like $400.00 Thats still $3.77 a day! People buy up out of state big game tags and they are not cheap! So lets do it for our waterfowl as well. People buy up Rez passes at $500 bucks to hunt ducks and geese out there...The Indians have got it figured out!


I'd sign your little petition if you wern't such a jackass.

1. Every state in the Pacific flyway has a 106 day season. Not just Id.

2.NRs buying up big game tags? Why do think you're able to purchase a 2nd deer permit????? because NRs are NOT buying them up like you claim.

3. So this field that you hunt, must be one hell of a field? You pound it during the week and Utards pound it on the weekends and it still produces??? Ok whatever.

4. Your $1.08 or $3.77 a day or whatever your point is, is stupid. Do you really think these guys or anybody for that matter hunts EVERY day of the season????
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Re: Whos tired of Out of state hunters?

Postby goosepond » Sat Jan 11, 2014 7:52 am

If you want to contact your legislator and done know who they are or what their email address is, here is a link to all legislators with e-mails. The OGLB has a proposed rule that they themselves have adopted and awaits final legislative approval on outfitting and guiding for waterfowl and turkey before the legislature. Nows the time to make yourselves heard if you want it stopped. If it is confirmed by the legislators, or no action taken, it will become rule by the OGLB and there will be nothing you can do but to accept it as there will be guiding by next years waterfowl season and you can kiss many of your favorite spots gone.

http://legislature.idaho.gov/legislatio ... /4/hilite/
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