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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby Quacker-Wacker » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:13 am

BT Justice wrote:
Quacker-Wacker wrote:I load for the .308 and I've tried all the powders and came to the conclusion that 2 of the more modern powders stand out Hodgdon H4895 and Alliant RL15. These powders do very well with bullet weights from 125gr to 168gr. I usually load 130gr Barnes TTX, Sierra 125gr SP and Sierra 150grSP. Or if you want to go old school, you can't miss with IMR 4064. :wink: Sorry, don't know anything about the 6mm.

Did you find RL 15 to give a bit high barrel heating, I tried it and it seemed to heat up the barrel a lot more than 748 did


To tell you the truth, I never even thought about it. RL 15 is my go to powder in my 308 but I use it mainly for hunting and a little practice every now and then, almost always in cooler/cold weather.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:59 am

Barrel heating?!? Oh my, what have I done
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby Quacker-Wacker » Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:32 pm

jehler wrote:Barrel heating?!? Oh my, what have I done


Barrel heating only pertains to high volume shooting usually in warm weather. As your barrel heats up, your groups will open up, which is a non issue for hunters but can be a real issue for competition target shooters.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby BT Justice » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:35 pm

jehler wrote:Barrel heating?!? Oh my, what have I done

Don't get yourself all wadded up there.
I checked my stores locker and the Reloader 15 I have is in a Hercules canister,
Soooo that means this is the stuff they imported from Scott powder many years ago.
Not the stuff they have Norma make these days for them.
I really do need to start buying more components from this century... :lol3: :lol3: :rolleyes:
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby lostknife4 » Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:39 pm

BT Justice wrote:
jehler wrote:Barrel heating?!? Oh my, what have I done

Don't get yourself all wadded up there.
I checked my stores locker and the Reloader 15 I have is in a Hercules canister,
Soooo that means this is the stuff they imported from Scott powder many years ago.
Not the stuff they have Norma make these days for them.
I really do need to start buying more components from this century... :lol3: :lol3: :rolleyes:


X2 on that last statement....
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby lostknife4 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:55 pm

This is what the Tungsten insert for a 30 cal bullet looks like. I pulled it from a 30-06 Military Armour Piercing round and removed it from the Gilding metal jacket.
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PS: good for Squirrels to Elephants at all sane ranges LOL.

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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby 3200 man » Thu Jan 30, 2014 4:59 pm

What percentage of zirconium would that have in it ? OR , it that pure tungsten Lost ?
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby lostknife4 » Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:05 pm

I think it's a tungsten carbide derivative but the local junk yard has a hand help spectrometer that costs about 35G and first opportunity I'll take it in and get the guys to tell me what the alloy breakdown is.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:43 pm

First rounds, not 100% sure I have my sizing die set up exactly like I should but I'm getting consistent loads.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:48 pm

Just where in the hell does one go about finding federal primers? ..30 caliber bullets seem pretty scarce as well. I was able to pick up a pound each of varget, 4350, 4064, and H4831SC but could only find 100 Remington 9 1/2 primers, nothing else
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby nitram » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:52 pm

Sorry if someone mentioned it but in my opinion I wouldn't load anything without a good powder scale and weights. You'll also want a kinetic bullet puller and a Go/no Go Gauge. The latter if you're loading brass other than what you've shot.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:55 pm

I have an rcbs chargemaster for a scale already from shotshell loading, can see the need for the bullet puller, messed up a few already and hate the thought of tossing the bullet
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Sun Mar 02, 2014 3:56 pm

As far as the go gauge, I've just been measuring with calipers as I go
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby lostknife4 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:19 pm

Jehler the cartridge go - no go gauge checks the shoulder position on the case, something you can't really do with the vernier, the vernier will give you case dimensions and over all loaded ammo dimensions. And I think I mentioned an inertia bullet puller as a good tool and as far as primers take a drive up to Canada, we've got lots of them, made in the US though so no duty going back into the states.
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PS : Get some powder too while you're here.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:20 pm

Wonder he far into da nort I have to go to find primers lol
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby lostknife4 » Sun Mar 02, 2014 6:24 pm

Must be someone on here that lives just across the border that can get that stuff for you to pick up.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby goosepit2007 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:23 pm

jehler wrote:Just where in the hell does one go about finding federal primers? ..30 caliber bullets seem pretty scarce as well. I was able to pick up a pound each of varget, 4350, 4064, and H4831SC but could only find 100 Remington 9 1/2 primers, nothing else


what bullets you looking for/

let me know maybe I can help you out.

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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby TomKat » Mon Mar 03, 2014 2:53 pm

I never use Federal primers to hunt with. Hogdons factory stated that Winchester primers are less sensitive to temp variations. Thats what I have used for many years.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:49 pm

I can find winchester magnum primers but not large, and I haven't found any recipes yet with anything but federal, I haven't looked real hard yet
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Mon Mar 03, 2014 3:52 pm

goosepit2007 wrote:
jehler wrote:Just where in the hell does one go about finding federal primers? ..30 caliber bullets seem pretty scarce as well. I was able to pick up a pound each of varget, 4350, 4064, and H4831SC but could only find 100 Remington 9 1/2 primers, nothing else


what bullets you looking for/

let me know maybe I can help you out.

goose

That's a damn good question, I'm thinking I want to try a few different bullets of each grain between 150 and 180 grains. I'm completely ignorant to rifle ballistics at the moment, picking it up quick but still a lot to learn. I don't really care much for just plunking but think maybe that may change as we work up loads
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby 3200 man » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:09 pm

Look at it this way , if you are going after Moose use 180's but , if Deer are what you have in mind use 150's .

The case volume really isn't a long range hunting gun caliber , inside of 250 yds it will do fine so , shoot 150's

with different powders and bullet manufactures and dial that gun in to whatever its capable of and Marksmanship

will do the rest ! :thumbsup: I Think !
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:26 pm

The only bullets I could find were 165 grain interbonds and that's what I have
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby 3200 man » Mon Mar 03, 2014 4:37 pm

Those are fine ! load'em-up and see if your gun likes them ?

With the thought of the case being used for a 243 as well as the 308 , you have plenty of room for ? maybe 40 plus grs
slow burning powder with a 165 so , you should be around 2600 to 2800 fps ?

As long as the bullet gets there before the sound , your good to go ! :lol3: :thumbsup:
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby lostknife4 » Mon Mar 03, 2014 7:58 pm

When I was a lot younger, 15 in fact I bought a Win Mod 100 in 308, over the years I graduated to a 30-06 then a 300 Win Mag, 375 H&H and now I mostly use a 30-06 for everything big except Moose. In all that time for game all I ever used for game in 30 caliber was 165 gr Nosler Partitions, they work great on those 25 yard shots but equally as well at 200+, they didn't blow a quarter of a deer at close range high velocity but at low velocity ie long range they would still do their expansion thing and dispatch the game in a timely and humane manner.
So Jehler, provided your gun has the proper twist to stabilize the bullets you have "chosen" for the velocity you impart to them and through experimentation, consultation and lots of reading have hit near the sweet spot with the right combination of brass, primer, powder and bullet you will do very well but you also will burn a lot of powder finding that sweet spot. But really that's what it's all about any way. And you thought all along that you would save money !!!!!!!!!!! LMAO, you just get to shoot a whole lot more and the cycle just starts all over again.
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Re: questions for brass loaders

Postby jehler » Mon Mar 03, 2014 8:36 pm

I have questions about barrel twist, hitting the sack now, but maybe tomorrow. Jr's 6mm is a shorter barrel gun, not sure of the twist, can I look it up or do I have to figure it myself?
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