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Wood duck box questions?

Postby kyduck » Sun Feb 17, 2008 7:36 pm

I've never made any boxes, so if you guys could help with a few questions
1) I've seen the different designs, but where is a good place to purchase the wood (not precut boxes)?
2) Why can't treated wood be used?
3) If using a metal pole as the stand...what is the best way to attach the box?

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Postby Brydog » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:01 pm

Google "Wood Duck Boxes",
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Postby kyduck » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:19 pm

Did it...but didn't find the answer to those questions. I already printed out a design to follow, just had a few more questions that I couldn't find answers to.
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Postby Brydog » Sun Feb 17, 2008 8:38 pm

1 - Cedar is most commonly used to make Woodie boxes. It has natural oils in it to retard rot.

2 - Pressure treated wood has Chemicals in it that could potentially harm the Ducks.

3 - Attach your pole to the back of the nesting box with a couple "U" straps. Make sure to put a predator guard on the pole.

Hope this helps ya'...
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Postby drake23 » Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:36 pm

i use rough pine its cheap
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Postby h2ofwlr » Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:36 am

Cedar or cypress is rot resistent. Pine rots much quicker.

Treated wood has health issues for the eggs and hens. Specific health warning--do not use in farm rearing with poultry, etc... so same for ducks.

Please go to the conservation forum, I posted up a good how too for woodies, and couple of very good links too.
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Postby apexhunter » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:29 am

Most of the boxes around here are made out of cypress as it is about equal with cedar in the no-rot category, but the lesser grades (like #2) are much cheaper than cedar. Just make sure to get boards with a roughsawn face or use a piece of hardware cloth on the inside to make it easier for the chicks to climb out. As far as connecting it to the pole, the most simple way is to straps like Brydog mentioned. If you do strap it into place make sure to put a set screw through the strap into the pole to keep the box from rotating.
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Postby Pillowcasr » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:15 am

Make sure that if your gonna build and put boxes up that you maintain them erryyear. That being said make it easy for yourself, place them in the water so you can access them by boat if possible and the most important is put a door on the side. Check these out, T Smart designed the easy access door which works great.

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Postby kyduck » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:16 am

What is the most economical place to purchase the wood? I was thinking places like lowes, or ace hardware? Any other ideas?

I like that wooden fence post in the water...how did you get it seated firmly in the pond?

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Postby olddkguide » Mon Feb 18, 2008 10:37 am

Great box but needs a better predator guard. Wood poles may look more natural but they rot over a period of time. You will find metal poles easier for installation and they last. Find a local lumber yard to purchase your lumber at, cedar or cypress depending on your area both work fine. Predrill your post to match holes in boxes for easy mounting. A good predator guard is a must, and in some states required by law. Check the conservation section lots of info posted.
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Postby tsmart » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:24 am

FYI - DO NOT use Cedar for boxes, or cedar shavings inside the boxes.

As with Hamsters, cedar has been reported to cause respiratory issues with wood duck hens as well. Use pine shavings, and some natural unpainted wood for the boxes (Pine,Oak, Hemlock, Cypress)... but NO CEDAR. Stay away from any treat wood for boxes as well (but wood post can be treated).

I have some boxes I tried, and split the shaving types.... pine & cedar shavings.
Results - All the boxes with Pine shavings were used..... and only about 1/2 the boxes with Cedar shavings were NOT used.

I prefer metal post.... but if I do use wood, they are treated wood post. Sometimes a man has to use what is donated, if ya know what I mean.

We maintain around 200 boxes as well... :thumbsup: none are cedar. :thumbsup:

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Postby tsmart » Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:41 am

Just to add....

There are different types of Cedar.... the type you should avoided is "Aromatic Red Cedar". Any other species of cedar may work (I assume), but I just avoid it all together. I've heard ferrets and cockatiels have respiratory destress due to Aromatic Red Cedar chips as well...

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Postby mike. » Mon Feb 18, 2008 1:53 pm

i just use plywood.. i had a whole bunch in my garage and i made three out of it last year. Use this plan, has everything you need.
http://www.ducks.org/media/Conservation ... _plans.pdf
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Postby tsmart » Mon Feb 18, 2008 2:03 pm

mike. wrote:i just use plywood.. i had a whole bunch in my garage and i made three out of it last year. Use this plan, has everything you need.
http://www.ducks.org/media/Conservation ... _plans.pdf


Plywood has chemicals in the glue.... which doesn't make it the greatest type wood to use.... but it will work (better if it's untreated plywood). Plywood seems to rot quicker too.

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Postby Penguine » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:08 pm

Know whats funny? All the posts here saying do not use Cedar, but when you go to the DU site and follow its directions it says to use Cedar. I think the DU folks know what they are talking about. I don't think they would say use Cedar if the wood would harm the wood duck.
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Postby Pillowcasr » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:13 pm

Go Spend the money on the Cedar and do all the work only to find out that the boxes aren't being used. :no: :no:
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Postby olddkguide » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:22 pm

You are both right about cedar. "Red Cedar", particularly is the problem, this is only true though on fresh cut lumber, once it is seasoned its fine. The down side to cedar is it tends to split as it weathers. Plywood boxes will work, they just don't last as long. Some folks say plywood boxes get hotter, I really never have tested this, I think I will and post the results. Some areas have an abundant supply of white cedar, cypress is also an excellent choice if readily available.
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Postby mike. » Mon Feb 18, 2008 3:46 pm

well i used plywood and like i stated in the other thread, i got 13 eggs to hatch out of one. Just saying, you can use plywood, but there probably better wood out there that will last longer. I just used what i had, didnt cost me a thing.
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Postby Brydog » Mon Feb 18, 2008 7:08 pm

Penguine wrote:Know whats funny? All the posts here saying do not use Cedar, but when you go to the DU site and follow its directions it says to use Cedar. I think the DU folks know what they are talking about. I don't think they would say use Cedar if the wood would harm the wood duck.


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Some people just like to be contrary ! :huh:

I build 5 boxes out of Cedar every year, and have never had one that wasn't used. As of now, I have 30 of em' out....
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Postby tsmart » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:01 am

olddkguide wrote: cypress is also an excellent choice if readily available.


I agree. Cypress is probably the best choice of all. :thumbsup:

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Postby Pillowcasr » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:09 am

I actually build mine outta brick! :tongue:
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Postby olddkguide » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:05 am

I love it! :lol: Does it come with a set if little stairs? :biggrin:
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Postby Pillowcasr » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:26 am

Oh yes, rought iron railing even. You can huff and puff and never blow this house down. :thumbsup:
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Postby blazer68 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:09 am

I know DU has a link to down load woodie houses. And the chemicals in the treated wood can kill the baby woodies.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:16 am

Where exacly do you put wood duck boxes and when?
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