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Can the Middle American Radicals (MARs) save McCain?

Postby Tom Phillips* » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:38 am

Can the MARs Save McCain?
by Patrick J. Buchanan

10/03/2008

John McCain may have just let slip his last best chance to be president of the United States.

When he flew back to Washington to address the banking crisis, McCain could have seized the hottest issue in America by taking the side of his countrymen who were enraged by the Paulson Plan to bail out a power elite whose greed and stupidity had caused a financial disaster unequaled since the Crash of '29.

But rather than denounce the Bush-Paulson-Pelosi-Barney Frank plan as a rip-off of taxpayers, lacerate Obama and Co. for bedding down with the kleptocrats of Fannie Mae, and advancing his own McCain plan, McCain played the establishment man. He sought modest concessions for the Republican view, urged swift passage and left town.

Then the House, in an astounding act of defiance, voted to kill the bill, triggering a trillion-dollar run on Wall Street.

Working with Democrats rather than battling the establishment has ever been McCain's way. And, undeniably, his deserved reputation for bipartisanship helped him to get where he is.

He campaigns proudly on his capacity to work with liberals and has McCain-Feingold, McCain-Lieberman and McCain-Kennedy to prove it. But as George H.W. Bush and Gerald Ford discovered, the politics of compromise and consensus does not always produce the best result.

The tax hike of 1990 may have destroyed Bush I's presidency, and Ford's choice of John Paul Stevens for the Supreme Court, who was approved unanimously, helped propel the Ronald Reagan challenge.

Philosophically and culturally, we are a divided people. Across the spectrum there are us-versus-them folks who see politics as a zero-sum game between Middle America and a global elite. Below the upper-income brackets and along the center-right are the folks the late columnist Sam Francis, citing sociologist Donald Warren's 1976 study, called Middle American Radicals.

Nixon brought the "MARs" to national attention when, as David Broder then wrote, the "breaking of the president" was underway in October 1969. Nixon went on television and called for the Great Silent Majority to stand with him against antiwar demonstrators and rioters in the streets, and for "peace with honor" in Vietnam.

When TV anchors trashed Nixon's speech, he unleashed Spiro Agnew on the establishment media.

No White House had ever before attacked the networks or national press for ideological and political bias.

In a month, Nixon hit 68 percent approval, the apogee of his presidency, and Agnew was the third most admired man in America.

Reagan, by opposing the surrender of the Panama Canal to a leftist dictator, also rallied the MARs. He lost that battle, but his consolation prize was the GOP nomination and the presidency.

In recent years, we have seen the MARs rise again and again in roaring rebellion. But, invariably, when these rebellions occur, John McCain may be found inside the castle walls.

In 2007, McCain rushed to Washington to support George Bush, Ted Kennedy, Bill Clinton, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post in the drive to grant amnesty to 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens. A national firestorm killed the bill and almost killed McCain's campaign.

A year earlier, a MARs uprising killed the Dubai ports deal.

The power elite was stunned by the explosion of outrage over the leasing of six U.S. ports to Arab sheiks. Nationalism remains a more potent force than globalism, and not only in America.

In Clinton's first term, McCain stood with the establishment for NAFTA, GATT, the WTO and the Mexican bailout. Middle America opposed them all.

In the past decade, the MARs have opposed free-trade deals, and lost, but won virtually every referendum on gay marriage, affirmative action or welfare for illegal aliens. Invariably, the MARs are portrayed as bigots, nativists, xenophobes, protectionists and isolationists, and their leaders as demagogues. In McCain's words from 2000, they are "agents of intolerance."

This is fine if you wish to be beloved in this city, but it may be a fatal impediment if you want to be president.

McCain's problem is that, in 2008, when his old press idolaters have found a new favorite, these are the people who hold his key to the presidency. They are the Democrats who voted against Barack Obama by wide margins in Pennsylvania and Ohio and landslide margins in West Virginia and Kentucky.

These Democrats can still win this race for John McCain. Many admire his war record. But not only is he not one of them, he has taken pride and pleasure in having been their great antagonist.

Could McCain win them back in five weeks? Perhaps. Is he willing to do what is necessary to win them back? Probably not. It would go against his instincts and his image of himself.

The issues that move these folks are not just the $700 billion bailout of Gordon Gekko's comrades, but the invasion of America from Mexico, the export of their jobs, factories and future to Asia, and the gnawing fear that the country they grew up in is being sacrificed for the benefit of an internationalist elite.
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The reason Sarah Palin is loved so much by the MARs, is that she is one of them, and she's honest. Having her one heartbeat away from the Presidency (should the Republican ticket win) gives me a great sense of peace.

God Bless her and her family.
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Postby xj76prq » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:18 pm

Yeah, great, a pentacostal that believes in a literal interpretation of the bible having access to the nuclear codes. Terrific.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:33 pm

xj76prq wrote:Yeah, great, a pentacostal that believes in a literal interpretation of the bible having access to the nuclear codes. Terrific.
Dude, Brydog or whoever this new 2 post poster is. I assume you are completely terrified about the prospect of the mad mullahs of Iran having nuclear weapons. No President of the United States is going to force the U.S. Military to do something insane. Iran? I'm not willing to bet my life or any friend, family, or American allies life on that.

I forget. Biden and Obama are going to talk them off the ledge with the help of France. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Postby GroundSwatter » Fri Oct 03, 2008 12:55 pm

I assume you are completely terrified about the prospect of the mad mullahs of Iran having nuclear weapons.


How easily can you convert oil rigs that drill through sand, to rigs that drill through glass? We should send some love to Kim Jong Il to.

I'm sorry did I say that out loud.
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Fri Oct 03, 2008 2:46 pm

GroundSwatter wrote:How easily can you convert oil rigs that drill through sand, to rigs that drill through glass?


Ha! That's pretty good. :biggrin:
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Postby GroundSwatter » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:06 pm

Sorry to sound like the narrow minded redneck that I am, but I think the only way to end the war on terror, is to make the terrorist think you are crazier than they are.
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:21 pm

GroundSwatter wrote:Sorry to sound like the narrow minded redneck that I am, but I think the only way to end the war on terror, is to make the terrorist think you are crazier than they are.


No need to apologize. :thumbsup:
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Postby xj76prq » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:45 pm

As if only having two posts deems the post to have less validity; fairly consistent with the lack of intellectual rigor demonstrated by the majority of posters to these forums. No wonder you are in favor of a man that finished 894th out of a class of 890 + and of a woman that took 6 years to wrestle a journalism degree to the ground. But intelligence and thought isn't what you're interested in. Who needs that when you have faith? The irony is that the party you support does the least for the economic group you are no doubt a part of. But as long as the person is against a woman's right to choose, is a "christian" and fails to bring up the subject of guns well that's just peachy for you. It can't be increases in federal spending else why would you have voted for shrub? Twice by the way. You voted for a guy that is so clueless he tried to give a neck rub to the German Chancellor. But again, you don't care about that. lol. You really don't deserve good governance.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:52 pm

At a minimum, your enemies can never be sure that you won't do something "crazy" or they will walk all over you. That's why Obama-style diplomacy will never work because they know with absolute certainty that he will not go to war with any country bigger than Bosnia. Sanctions don't work if you don't give a damn about your people, which is a job requirement for a fascist/dictatorship regime. Iran will know they are safe from the U.S. Now Israel, well that's a different story.

I could even see Israel attacking Iran between election day and inauguration day if Obama wins just to be sure the U.S. is with them.

xj76prq, I was joking that you are one of the resident liberals that is hiding their identity. Thus the new account with a nondescript username that immediately jumped into the controversial issues forum.

BTW, I didn't see any response to my serious question.
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Postby GroundSwatter » Fri Oct 03, 2008 4:18 pm

Sanctions don't work if you don't give a damn about your people, which is a job requirement for a fascist/dictatorship regime. Iran will know they are safe from the U.S.


That is 100% correct. That is why the league of nations failed oh so long ago and why UN is somewhat worthless. Economic sanctions only work against gov'ts that give a darn about their people. The leaders aren't affected, they're rich and get what they want anyways, and the citizens of that country keep their mouths shut for fear of getting punished.

Trying to reason with unreasonable people is more foolish than giving a german chancellor a neck rub. Terrorists and corrupt dictatorships only understand one thing, and that is someone thats calling their bluff that is more powerful than they are.

I'm afraid all this appeasement that's going on in the world is only going to lead to a whole bunch of crazy people with nukes. Look at North Korea as they kicked the UN out of their nuclear facilities. Look at Iran continuing their program despite sanctions.

These people are crazy and you just can't reason with them. You just have to be crazier than they are.
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Postby Redline29 » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:28 pm

xj76prq wrote:As if only having two posts deems the post to have less validity; fairly consistent with the lack of intellectual rigor demonstrated by the majority of posters to these forums.


Please define what you think an intellectual is.
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:19 pm

Welcome xj76prq. :thumbsup:
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Postby pennsyltucky » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:00 am

xj76prq wrote:As if only having two posts deems the post to have less validity;
ummmm...ya, it does :huh:
fairly consistent with the lack of intellectual rigor demonstrated by the majority of posters to these forums.
way to come right out with a personal attack. thats a great debate tactic huh?
No wonder you are in favor of a man that finished 894th out of a class of 890 + and of a woman that took 6 years to wrestle a journalism degree to the ground.
you and mr biden are alot alike.... how did he finish 894 of 890, genius?
But intelligence and thought isn't what you're interested in. Who needs that when you have faith? The irony is that the party you support does the least for the economic group you are no doubt a part of.
this describes you and your party perfectly. its a shame you are too blind to see it yourself
But as long as the person is against a woman's right to choose, is a "christian" and fails to bring up the subject of guns well that's just peachy for you.
choose what? to drive a car or truck? to wear pants or a dress? to be a blundering liberal or a respectful conservative? she can choose anything she wants. thats how it is, and thats how it will stay. get a life, and find something you havent already won to gripe about.
It can't be increases in federal spending else why would you have voted for shrub? Twice by the way. You voted for a guy that is so clueless he tried to give a neck rub to the German Chancellor. But again, you don't care about that. lol. You really don't deserve good governance.
did i miss something? did bush decide to run again? every brain dead liberal brings up bush as a reason not to vote for mccain? :huh: the 2 couldnt be any more different without one having to change to democrat. or is it that you will smear anything, regardless of its truthful content, to make the opponent look worse. never mind making your own candidate hold up to scrutiny...no need. just make the other one look bad enuf you could slip karl marx on the dem ticket... :rolleyes: its no different this time than any other, just a little worse. liberal socialist scum vs heroic honest conservative... obama shouldnt even be in this race. he needs to go back to chicago where the slums are chanting his name...he's done SOOO much good there :rolleyes: :no:
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:42 am

xj76prq wrote:First of all, you believe in a christian God as the sole God. So until we get that squared away there isn't much use reading anything you type....
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Sat Oct 04, 2008 10:10 am

spinner posted,

"BTW, I didn't see any response to my serious question."

Sounds like a Sarah Palin. :rofl:
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Postby SpinnerMan » Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:06 pm

As Sarah said "And I may not answer the questions the way that either the moderator or you want to hear"

http://www.debates.org/pages/trans2008b.html

Somehow that important little part of the answer gets dropped from the unbiased media and all knowing people such as yourself.

You should make this part of your daily reading. It's entertaining and informative and it will help you stop repeating so many verifiable falsehoods.

http://online.wsj.com/public/search?article-doc-type=%7BBest+of+the+Web+Today%7D&HEADER_TEXT=best+of+the+web+today
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Postby xj76prq » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:24 pm

Wow penny you describe the neo-cons perfectly. Even the embarrassment of the last eight years is not enough for you to even consider not voting for a republican. Why? Why is that? You wanna talk about smear? How about tom "swift-boat" phillips post about Senator Biden supposedly welshing on a debt? It's heresay numero uno. Due: where is the copy of the civil court case he filed to get his money back? If it was so much it hurt and his claim was valid why didn't he retain counsel on contingency? Nope, don't look into it just post away because it jives with your personal beliefs.

I was describing mccain when I stated that he finished 894th out of a class of 890 + at Annapolis. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I'll take smart over the "God said it, I believe it, that does it crowd" any day of the week.

I just got back from two weeks in Britain and they are struggling with muslim preachers in mosques stating that true believers (thats them) should not work or associate with kafir (non-believers) thats you penny/tom. That muslims should quit their jobs, move to muslim countries etc. This isn't even fanatical for them. When I was leaving Heathrow I saw a muslim family, man dressed in white, wife in black burka daughters in burkas. She was drinking a cup of water and had to lift a separate part of her vail to accomplish the task. She was doing this because her religion and by extension the God she believes in requires it. Now think for a second, what do they think about you and your beliefs?

You wanna believe in superstition and magic? I really could care less. Keep it to yourself. But when you come out and support a person that thinks creationism should be taught in schools because children should have more information then thats enough. You have done enough harm to this country over the last eight years.

And by the way, (family values has gone by the wayside because it is now synonymous with kooks) how in the world do you support a mother that has five children including a special needs infant for the Vice Presidency of the US? Shouldn't she be home taking care of her children?
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Postby xj76prq » Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:33 pm

I stated 894th out of 890 + penny because I'm not sure of the exact number in the class. I believe it was 898 but didn't want to run afoul of the rigorous, scrupulous fact checkers on this board. Like penny. See the PLUS sign penny? Genius? lol.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Mon Oct 06, 2008 7:29 pm

you can spew God hate all you want, u just make the case for the rest of us. you have no clue what you are typing. you have no idea what my religious beliefs are, obviously...

on forums like this (and in life, but i wont lecture) you wont get respect throwing stones. :wink: try a little more honey, and a little less vinegar (since im using fables :biggrin: )
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Postby Pacific Fisher » Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:41 pm

pennsy,

You honey tongued rascal you.
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Postby Tom Phillips* » Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:13 pm

xj76prq wrote: (family values has gone by the wayside because it is now synonymous with kooks)


xj76prq wrote:First of all, you believe in a christian God as the sole God. So until we get that squared away there isn't much use reading anything you type....
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Postby SpinnerMan » Tue Oct 07, 2008 7:32 am

xj76prq,

After seeing what you saw in Britain, why would you support a guy that will allow the mad mullahs of Iran to get nuclear weapons?

There is no one with a brain that thinks Obama will do anything that will prevent them. They will talk. Iran will make promises that they won't keep for one second. They will get caught cheating. Obama will talk some more. They will promise to be good this time. Then one day, they will test a nuke. Then Obama will say we can't do anything because they have nukes.

That is exactly how North Korea played out under Clinton and Obama proposes the same approach with Iran. It will actually work this time :rofl:

That is how it will play out unless Israel takes action. I think Obama will not back them up so that may take that option off the table.

Kim Jong Il is not suicidal and has no desire to purposefully inflict harm on anyone else or exterminate a race. This is just a little man wanting to feel important. I am not willing to bet my life or anyone else's life that Iran will be deterred by the threat of nuclear annihiliation. There are two reasons. First, I am not convinced that the mad mullahs are not pleased with martyrdom. Second, I don't think they believe Obama will actually pull the trigger. Sure some cruise missile strikes, but not nuclear annihilation or even ground force domination.
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Postby Rat Creek » Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:04 am

Welcome to the Forum Bill Maher (aka xj76prq). Good luck with the movie….NOT!

And please use a capital C when you spell out Christian, just as we use a capital A with America and American. Its about respect. :thumbsup:
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Postby dudejcb » Tue Oct 07, 2008 4:34 pm

xj76prq wrote:As if only having two posts deems the post to have less validity; fairly consistent with the lack of intellectual rigor demonstrated by the majority of posters to these forums. No wonder you are in favor of a man that finished 894th out of a class of 890 + and of a woman that took 6 years to wrestle a journalism degree to the ground. But intelligence and thought isn't what you're interested in. Who needs that when you have faith? The irony is that the party you support does the least for the economic group you are no doubt a part of. But as long as the person is against a woman's right to choose, is a "christian" and fails to bring up the subject of guns well that's just peachy for you. It can't be increases in federal spending else why would you have voted for shrub? Twice by the way. You voted for a guy that is so clueless he tried to give a neck rub to the German Chancellor. But again, you don't care about that. lol. You really don't deserve good governance.


I like this new guy. "neck rub to whatsherface" hilarious!
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Postby Brydog » Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:24 pm

It seems that we have a new guy here that likes to put the Retardlickin sheeple in their proper places. :thumbsup:

:welcome: aboard xj76prq .....

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I see you liked my saying so much that you changed the wording a little and are now using it as your signature. :no:
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