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Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:05 pm
by Preacher1011
So I'm looking into getting a started pup in the 6wk-4month range. Does anybody have any kennels they'd reccomend? I really don't want to drop 15k on a finished dog (heck 5k for a started one is steep). I don't have the time to train a green dog, but can train a started one for what I need. I don't need a show dog anyway. It'll probably be next tax season before I can buy, but want to start looking now. Distance isn't an issue, but obviously the closer the better.

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 2:00 pm
by HNTFSH
Preach - they're not too started at 6-8 weeks.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:17 pm
by cluckmeister
HNTFSH wrote:Preach - they're not too started at 6-8 weeks.


Except for the vet bills, they are real started at that :lol3:

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:42 pm
by Preacher1011
HNTFSH wrote:Preach - they're not too started at 6-8 weeks.


I was looking more into the 4 month range. I can take a younger one and finish training them where they need to be. Just don't have time for a total green dog with already having a dog for work that I have to do maintenance with every day. I also don't want to drop 15k on a finished dog. 4-8 months is originally what im looking at.

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:08 pm
by HNTFSH
Preacher1011 wrote:
HNTFSH wrote:Preach - they're not too started at 6-8 weeks.


I was looking more into the 4 month range. I can take a younger one and finish training them where they need to be. Just don't have time for a total green dog with already having a dog for work that I have to do maintenance with every day. I also don't want to drop 15k on a finished dog. 4-8 months is originally what im looking at.


So by "started" it sounds like you want to just skip the early puppy rearing with a start on basic obedience. Just clarifying as what might be ideal is a good hobby breeder willing to keep a pup through 4-5 months with housebreaking, some early OB, some gunfire work, a little bird exposure and happy retrieves.

If I was a hobby breeder, I'd consider doing that for 3-4K on a 1K pup.

Will keep ears open, going to be a word of mouth deal I'm pretty sure.

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:12 pm
by Preacher1011
Thanks boss. Dark Timber Kennels has 6 month started dogs for 4.5k. Don't know what kind of place they are though.

https://www.darktimberkennels.com/6-month-old-started-dog.html

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Wed Dec 25, 2019 4:11 pm
by Willie
Preacher1011 wrote:Thanks boss. Dark Timber Kennels has 6 month started dogs for 4.5k. Don't know what kind of place they are though.

https://www.darktimberkennels.com/6-month-old-started-dog.html


Started dog to me is through formal OB, collar conditioned and force fetched.
You’re probably not getting that at 6 months.

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:43 am
by HNTFSH
Willie wrote:
Preacher1011 wrote:Thanks boss. Dark Timber Kennels has 6 month started dogs for 4.5k. Don't know what kind of place they are though.

https://www.darktimberkennels.com/6-month-old-started-dog.html


Started dog to me is through formal OB, collar conditioned and force fetched.
You’re probably not getting that at 6 months.


Wouldn't want to blast Dark Timber but I agree at "6 months" the pup shown having been through collar conditioning, FF, etc. feels a little rushed? Doesn't look like they field test their breeder bitches. Not sure how they then determine all the attribute levels. The only current stud they own is a SH (which for most is a decent hunting dog) but they use IA out of more accomplished dogs for some other litters. All the dogs pedigrees look nice and good on 'em for health clearances.

Looks a little "factoryish" to me but it's hard to make a living raising and training gun dogs.

Personally with your time frame I'd prefer the litter from a hobby breeder that is willing to take one pup and "start" it for you. You can understand and communicate all the way through the pups rearing and training bit it's likely more work up front.

Might try contacting Clint Catledge (AKC Judge and Trainer/Breeder). Think he's in Georgia now but came from TN and would know a LOT of people from your region.

Clint Catledge
Judge's Number: Z7562 Judge Type: Hunting Test
Address: 420 Paul Thompson Road, BethPage, TN 37022
CEL Telephone: (615) 497-7159
Email: [email protected]

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:51 pm
by Preacher1011
HNTFSH wrote:
Willie wrote:
Preacher1011 wrote:Thanks boss. Dark Timber Kennels has 6 month started dogs for 4.5k. Don't know what kind of place they are though.

https://www.darktimberkennels.com/6-month-old-started-dog.html


Started dog to me is through formal OB, collar conditioned and force fetched.
You’re probably not getting that at 6 months.


Wouldn't want to blast Dark Timber but I agree at "6 months" the pup shown having been through collar conditioning, FF, etc. feels a little rushed? Doesn't look like they field test their breeder bitches. Not sure how they then determine all the attribute levels. The only current stud they own is a SH (which for most is a decent hunting dog) but they use IA out of more accomplished dogs for some other litters. All the dogs pedigrees look nice and good on 'em for health clearances.

Looks a little "factoryish" to me but it's hard to make a living raising and training gun dogs.

Personally with your time frame I'd prefer the litter from a hobby breeder that is willing to take one pup and "start" it for you. You can understand and communicate all the way through the pups rearing and training bit it's likely more work up front.

Might try contacting Clint Catledge (AKC Judge and Trainer/Breeder). Think he's in Georgia now but came from TN and would know a LOT of people from your region.

Clint Catledge
Judge's Number: Z7562 Judge Type: Hunting Test
Address: 420 Paul Thompson Road, BethPage, TN 37022
CEL Telephone: (615) 497-7159
Email: [email protected]


Thanks boss, I'll give him a shout when I get to looking. Probably won't be till next tax season, but figured I can look around now.

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:01 pm
by Bluesky2012
Agree with HNT. I’d also look at a local trial or serious hunt test person that has a trial washout. They sell those on discount but are usually fantastic for what a hunter needs. Like hoping for an NFL player but getting one that washes out in the combine for around the same price. That kennel just looks too puppy mill to me


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Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:35 pm
by Willie
There are some good trainers and retriever clubs in TN also. Take your time and you’ll find what you’re looking for.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:49 pm
by Bluesky2012
I will add, I can personally recommend a solid pro in central Arkansas that can both train well but can also either provide a pup if he has one or put you in contact with a nice truly starter dog if you want info.


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Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:39 am
by Preacher1011
Bluesky2012 wrote:I will add, I can personally recommend a solid pro in central Arkansas that can both train well but can also either provide a pup if he has one or put you in contact with a nice truly starter dog if you want info.


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It's gonna be awhile before I'm ready to buy, just seeing what's ot there. I'll definitely take his info though if you wouldn't mind PMing me. How do you go about getting a trial washout and do you know the going rate on one?

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:42 am
by cuppedup50
Preach, if all goes as expected, I plan on breeding my female soon. She has a great pedigree and is a solid gun dog. The sire is lights out one of the best dogs I have ever hunted with. Let me know if you might be interested in a pup. I'm in West TN.

Re: Started pups/ Finished dogs

PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:58 am
by HNTFSH
cuppedup50 wrote:Preach, if all goes as expected, I plan on breeding my female soon. She has a great pedigree and is a solid gun dog. The sire is lights out one of the best dogs I have ever hunted with. Let me know if you might be interested in a pup. I'm in West TN.


Is that an offer to start the pup?