Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby waterfowlhunter » Sat May 22, 2021 7:22 am

I have several SBE II and SBE III including the 20ga plus a few M2's I have not had one issue with any of them that was a fault of the gun. Those that complain about the click, I don't get it. I picked up my First Benelli in 1996 and I use them hard. I have only had that happen once and it was because I was trying to close the bolt quietly as to not disturb the turkeys. I also have several other brands of Semi-auto shotguns and use them all but the benelli is always the go to gun when the weather is harsh and the hunting is hard.

I have recently installed wolff gunsprings extra power action springs in all of mine and can still shoot 1-1/8oz 1200FPS AA target loads with no issue at all. Some of the top gun and gun clubs have caused failure to feed issues but only when very cold out.
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Lockingblock » Thu May 27, 2021 7:22 pm

The Benelli is the best shotgun for actual shooters. It is unforgiving to people that aren’t knowledgeable on how to run a semi auto firearm.

It is similar to the complaints about it shooting high....and you ask them to draw out an example of sight alignment, sight picture, and rib position...and they can’t explain what any of this should look like for a correct 60/40 pattern. It’s not the gun...


The click is similar. People don’t know how to properly load a firearm and ride the bolt home, inducing an out of battery situation where the designs inherent safety prevents it from firing...not the gun’s fault.


Recoil...there are so many factors there. Clothing, shells, powder burn rate, gun fit in the clothing you are wearing, length of pull, drop, head position, stance, hand position, grip tension, and so on. Gas gun vs recoil op is low on the list and people claiming otherwise just don’t know what they don’t know. This can be proven by shooting a big rifle like a 416 rigby. It’s technique...do it right and it doesn’t hurt, you just roll as the recoil is absorbed by your entire upper body with the gun pulled tight into your shoulder, head down, aggressive tension on the forearm, and a fwd lean onto the ball of your non dominant foot.
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby jsh909 » Sat May 29, 2021 2:46 am

Lockingblock wrote:The Benelli is the best shotgun for actual shooters. It is unforgiving to people that aren’t knowledgeable on how to run a semi auto firearm.

It is similar to the complaints about it shooting high....and you ask them to draw out an example of sight alignment, sight picture, and rib position...and they can’t explain what any of this should look like for a correct 60/40 pattern. It’s not the gun...


The click is similar. People don’t know how to properly load a firearm and ride the bolt home, inducing an out of battery situation where the designs inherent safety prevents it from firing...not the gun’s fault.


Recoil...there are so many factors there. Clothing, shells, powder burn rate, gun fit in the clothing you are wearing, length of pull, drop, head position, stance, hand position, grip tension, and so on. Gas gun vs recoil op is low on the list and people claiming otherwise just don’t know what they don’t know. This can be proven by shooting a big rifle like a 416 rigby. It’s technique...do it right and it doesn’t hurt, you just roll as the recoil is absorbed by your entire upper body with the gun pulled tight into your shoulder, head down, aggressive tension on the forearm, and a fwd lean onto the ball of your non dominant foot.


Ha, bold statement. Glad you like your gun though.
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Specklebelly » Sat May 29, 2021 8:49 am

jsh909 wrote:
Lockingblock wrote:The Benelli is the best shotgun for actual shooters. It is unforgiving to people that aren’t knowledgeable on how to run a semi auto firearm.

It is similar to the complaints about it shooting high....and you ask them to draw out an example of sight alignment, sight picture, and rib position...and they can’t explain what any of this should look like for a correct 60/40 pattern. It’s not the gun...


The click is similar. People don’t know how to properly load a firearm and ride the bolt home, inducing an out of battery situation where the designs inherent safety prevents it from firing...not the gun’s fault.


Recoil...there are so many factors there. Clothing, shells, powder burn rate, gun fit in the clothing you are wearing, length of pull, drop, head position, stance, hand position, grip tension, and so on. Gas gun vs recoil op is low on the list and people claiming otherwise just don’t know what they don’t know. This can be proven by shooting a big rifle like a 416 rigby. It’s technique...do it right and it doesn’t hurt, you just roll as the recoil is absorbed by your entire upper body with the gun pulled tight into your shoulder, head down, aggressive tension on the forearm, and a fwd lean onto the ball of your non dominant foot.


Ha, bold statement. Glad you like your gun though.

Not bold, just sounds like a typical Benelli owner to me that likes to justify their overpayment of an average (if even that) gun. :grooving:
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby waterfowlhunter » Sat May 29, 2021 11:38 am

Specklebelly wrote:
jsh909 wrote:
Lockingblock wrote:The Benelli is the best shotgun for actual shooters. It is unforgiving to people that aren’t knowledgeable on how to run a semi auto firearm.

It is similar to the complaints about it shooting high....and you ask them to draw out an example of sight alignment, sight picture, and rib position...and they can’t explain what any of this should look like for a correct 60/40 pattern. It’s not the gun...


The click is similar. People don’t know how to properly load a firearm and ride the bolt home, inducing an out of battery situation where the designs inherent safety prevents it from firing...not the gun’s fault.


Recoil...there are so many factors there. Clothing, shells, powder burn rate, gun fit in the clothing you are wearing, length of pull, drop, head position, stance, hand position, grip tension, and so on. Gas gun vs recoil op is low on the list and people claiming otherwise just don’t know what they don’t know. This can be proven by shooting a big rifle like a 416 rigby. It’s technique...do it right and it doesn’t hurt, you just roll as the recoil is absorbed by your entire upper body with the gun pulled tight into your shoulder, head down, aggressive tension on the forearm, and a fwd lean onto the ball of your non dominant foot.


Ha, bold statement. Glad you like your gun though.

Not bold, just sounds like a typical Benelli owner to me that likes to justify their overpayment of an average (if even that) gun. :grooving:



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They cost no more than a Browning or Beretta when you shop around. My maxus sucked whenever I got it wet or tried to hunt in a good rain and it did not like sub zero temps at all. Not enough time to go into the issues I have had with Remington's as both an owner and as a dealer. For me Benelli is the only shotgun (besides my early Auto-5's) that never have issues. My early Gold was a jam-o-matic as was a buddy's beretta (fixed by Beretta and much better now). But I do a few Silvers and X2's that seem to work pretty well without too many issues. I do have a Maxus II on back order and am kind of looking forward to giving it a try because I really wanted to like the Browning. On the real cheap I have an Escort that works just as great as the Benelli but at 1/4 the cost. :huh:
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby jsh909 » Mon May 31, 2021 8:04 am

I have not had an issue with any of my maxus's in rain or cold. Did yours fail to cycle or was it a firing issue?

I have a 2 as well haven't got to mess with it much yet though
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Lockingblock » Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:26 pm

Specklebelly wrote:
jsh909 wrote:
Lockingblock wrote:The Benelli is the best shotgun for actual shooters. It is unforgiving to people that aren’t knowledgeable on how to run a semi auto firearm.

It is similar to the complaints about it shooting high....and you ask them to draw out an example of sight alignment, sight picture, and rib position...and they can’t explain what any of this should look like for a correct 60/40 pattern. It’s not the gun...


The click is similar. People don’t know how to properly load a firearm and ride the bolt home, inducing an out of battery situation where the designs inherent safety prevents it from firing...not the gun’s fault.


Recoil...there are so many factors there. Clothing, shells, powder burn rate, gun fit in the clothing you are wearing, length of pull, drop, head position, stance, hand position, grip tension, and so on. Gas gun vs recoil op is low on the list and people claiming otherwise just don’t know what they don’t know. This can be proven by shooting a big rifle like a 416 rigby. It’s technique...do it right and it doesn’t hurt, you just roll as the recoil is absorbed by your entire upper body with the gun pulled tight into your shoulder, head down, aggressive tension on the forearm, and a fwd lean onto the ball of your non dominant foot.


Ha, bold statement. Glad you like your gun though.

Not bold, just sounds like a typical Benelli owner to me that likes to justify their overpayment of an average (if even that) gun. :grooving:



Let the bolt go forward using the release…never guide it forward or cushion it. It will never end up out of battery from improper loading if handled this way…which is also the exact same way you load the entire M16 family of weapons and pretty much every other rotating bolt semi auto on earth.

Go ask 3 shotgun shooters to draw you their version of sight picture on a piece of paper…you will get stacked beads, rib showing, half bead, beads side by side, bead on the leading edge of the target, bead at 6 o’clock on the target, no bead at all…. All will swear their way is right and the gun is wrong.
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Rick Hall » Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:01 am

Lockingblock wrote:Let the bolt go forward using the release…never guide it forward or cushion it. It will never end up out of battery from improper loading if handled this way...


Not necessarily so. A lot of "Benelli" clicks are actually "Nervous Nelly" clicks created by guys checking to insure there's a round in the chamber but not then checking the extractor claw's position to insure that they've then closed it firmly enough to rotate and lock the bolt face. When I've caught them at it and explained the gun's operation, I've usually heard "Didn't know that." about how their gun works - or doesn't.

Also have to admit making my own circa '90s HK import SBE click:
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But I'm not going to blame what our friend Specklebelly has characterized as "an average (if even that) gun" for that one.

When you're using it every open day and lazy as I am, it's nice not to have to keep a gun shiny inside - or, for that matter, out:
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:07 am

Don't guide (For compensation), nor am I out there in the field every day, but I have my share of bad weather days, and extreme cold in E Idaho.

Occasionally I fill all 8 seats in the mobile blind/blinds but most often only 4 or 6. I guess I hunt with fellows who take the time to maintain their guns, as my young grandson was the only guy I can remember having a issue that couldn't be resolved in 5 seconds (A youth model TriStar 20). His dad took over and had it cleared in 15 seconds, well before the next batch of Honkers slid in.

I once dropped my A400 in sand when my foot got buried to the knee in a Rock Chuck hole that opened up in the middle of a gravel road, and it ended that Pheasant hunt. I have also had it fail to eject maybe four times in wet weather turning to ice, and that in 9 seasons. Maybe once denting the primer and failing for the same reason. But it sure beats coming home with a swollen bird finger because the SBE II I had jumped back with the 3.5 loads and beat heck outa it.

I hated that gun and sold it. Had the Beretta bought the next day and moved from Hell to Heaven just like that. I have to shoot 250-300 clays before I feel like setting the A400 down. Two boxes of such loads made me want to throw the SBE II in the nearest dumpster. But Hey! Call me fragile...I don't care. I shoot for fun, not to prove I can 'TAKE IT'. I've read before how many guys sold a SBE II because of a sore middle finger, and being kicked to death by it just every time out with it. That was one absolutely reliable thing 'I' could count on with the SBE II. It ain't the shooter mismanaging his gun...it's just the way some folk are built I guess, but I have never heard that complaint from A400 owners.
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Rick Hall » Sat Jun 05, 2021 9:46 am

If a fellow can't get 'em within 3" range, it ain't the inertia gun's fault.
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:49 am

Rick Hall wrote:If a fellow can't get 'em within 3" range, it ain't the inertia gun's fault.


Haven't fired a 3.5 since early second season I had A400. But I wanted the option.
Here we are at Honey Hole. Geese and ducks usually at eye level and mid channel behind us, below top of brush to dragging knuckles in water before I make call.
We are kneeling in spot blind is always set up. No 3.5s needed, but some guys still bring 'em even knowing the average range they will be shooting at? Ducks would be crushed by 2.75s, but our geese are heavy, and a 3 inch provides a certain cushion for cripples, even tho you'd think they'd all be head shots at these ranges.
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Rick Hall » Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:06 pm

Fsbirdhouse wrote:...I have to shoot 250-300 clays before I feel like setting the A400 down. Two boxes of such loads made me want to throw the SBE II in the nearest dumpster. But Hey! Call me fragile...


Two boxes of clay loads??? Unless you've a serious physical disability, "fragile" might be a polite stretch. But everyone's recoil sensitivity differs some. Might be fixed breech pump and double gun fans who'd consider me a **** for preferring inertia guns. ('Least until I broke out my Model 12 "goose gun".)
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Re: Sbe2 vs Sbe3 reliability

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:14 pm

Rick Hall wrote:
Fsbirdhouse wrote:...I have to shoot 250-300 clays before I feel like setting the A400 down. Two boxes of such loads made me want to throw the SBE II in the nearest dumpster. But Hey! Call me fragile...


Two boxes of clay loads??? Unless you've a serious physical disability, "fragile" might be a polite stretch. But everyone's recoil sensitivity differs some. Might be fixed breech pump and double gun fans who'd consider me a **** for preferring inertia guns. ('Least until I broke out my Model 12 "goose gun".)


I retired as a Pipefitter after 37 years because of injury to right shoulder. It bothers me periodically for little to no reason.
Inertia is out of the question, and I owned that SBEII at the time. But didn't enjoy it before the injury either. So no love lost.
Never feared pulling the trigger on the A400, if I could get it as far up as my shoulder to begin with. Not so with the SBEII.

Whenever a new 'discomfort' develops, such as a lack of circulation in feet or hands that takes the edge off my enjoyment of the sport, I find a remedy to offset it. Like a hand muff from Cabela's a guest loaned me on a hunt. I had one the next trip out and loaded with four chem hand warmers. The White Bunny Boots I wore in Alaskan Winters still serve me well. Space heaters practically line the front wall of the big blinds just 'Because we can', and the dogs are not left wanting either as they, (And us) rest our feet on closed cell foam pads instead of ice. Old men and old dogs deserve favor.
OK, Ok. I'll 'OWN' fragile
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