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Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:31 pm

I'm currently overseas and don't have my manuals with me, but I'm curious if anyone has some good, tried and true, steel loads for a 28ga. I'v found some good ones for HW shot but would like to load up some steel no.6 for marsh hens. I don't feel like the marsh hens warrant HW or TSS. I won't be back until late October, right in the middle of season, & like to go ahead and have the components shipped to my house. Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Dave in AZ » Mon Apr 25, 2016 5:48 pm

LAT88,
There are several threads on this, but I didn't find it yet. Basically go to search, search for author Toasty, then look for 28ga steel. Toasty has been using 5/8oz steel this last year as well as TSS/steel mixes with great success. I think hamernhonkers also was shooting 28ga steel?
search.php?keywords=28ga+steel&terms=all&author=Toasty&fid%5B%5D=14&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search


here's one thread I found where Toasty references his load:
viewtopic.php?t=687610&f=14&start=0#p7395034

heres a good one on his duplex load:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=771802&p=8092010&hilit=28ga+steel#p8092010

heres 28ga steel:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=669833&p=7182953&hilit=28ga+steel#p7182953

Here's the steel load that both Toasty and I use as the basis for 28ga, I think it's the best 28ga steel load from BPI:
131011 5168-4 28 2.75 Cheddite Ch209 LilGun xx.0 TPS28 5/8 273 Steel 10500 1480 fold 4 toasty basis load Advantages 8th 118pellets

However, 28ga benefits a lot from mixing with tss to get pellet counts up. With #3 in this load it's 95 pellets, but better 39 yd ranges vs 31. If you remove 1/8oz steel and replace with 1/8oz TSS #9.5, you can boost from 95 #3 pellets to 130 total, which with TSS tight patterns can give decent coverage for 39 yards. And shot cost is 63 cents total, shell cost about 90 cents.

enjoy. Oh, and if someone shows up talking down tss/steel mix, ignore their post-- their are several here who don't shoot tss but just can't pass up a chance to argue against it. Listen to posts by guys who are actually shooting the 28ga and steel/tss mix on waterfowl. Toasty, hamernhonkers, dakotashooter2, hawglips, etc
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Dave in AZ » Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:21 pm

Great finds wildflights!
That first link is to a thread on the exact same load as I recommended ;)
hamernhonkers has some good posts and patterns there, check those threads out LAT88!
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby wildflights » Tue Apr 26, 2016 8:00 am

Seemed like there was a lot more on 28 gauge steel here and over on SGW. Sure having a tough time finding it now.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby lostknife4 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 10:52 am

Dave in AZ wrote:LAT88,
There are several threads on this, but I didn't find it yet. Basically go to search, search for author Toasty, then look for 28ga steel. Toasty has been using 5/8oz steel this last year as well as TSS/steel mixes with great success. I think hamernhonkers also was shooting 28ga steel?
search.php?keywords=28ga+steel&terms=all&author=Toasty&fid%5B%5D=14&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search


here's one thread I found where Toasty references his load:
viewtopic.php?t=687610&f=14&start=0#p7395034

heres a good one on his duplex load:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=771802&p=8092010&hilit=28ga+steel#p8092010

heres 28ga steel:
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=669833&p=7182953&hilit=28ga+steel#p7182953

Here's the steel load that both Toasty and I use as the basis for 28ga, I think it's the best 28ga steel load from BPI:
131011 5168-4 28 2.75 Cheddite Ch209 LilGun xx.0 TPS28 5/8 273 Steel 10500 1480 fold 4 toasty basis load Advantages 8th 118pellets

However, 28ga benefits a lot from mixing with tss to get pellet counts up. With #3 in this load it's 95 pellets, but better 39 yd ranges vs 31. If you remove 1/8oz steel and replace with 1/8oz TSS #9.5, you can boost from 95 #3 pellets to 130 total, which with TSS tight patterns can give decent coverage for 39 yards. And shot cost is 63 cents total, shell cost about 90 cents.

enjoy. Oh, and if someone shows up talking down tss/steel mix, ignore their post-- their are several here who don't shoot tss but just can't pass up a chance to argue against it. Listen to posts by guys who are actually shooting the 28ga and steel/tss mix on waterfowl. Toasty, hamernhonkers, dakotashooter2, hawglips, etc


Actually I commented on this in another posting as follows:
"Nice work here but I have a question: Say a 25 yard target, the Steel shot has the capability to kill and does it's job but where does the TSS go? Since the Steel has already killed the bird without tearing it all to pieces does the TSS not hit the bird too?
Of course it does so although the theory is to extend the bloom and killing pattern IMHO it fails miserably at the shorter distances when that was the purpose of the blooming Steel to start with.
I have always felt that any multipurpose "tools", for lack of a better word, were never as good as the individual specific tool for the purpose intended and I have yet to be convinced that Duplex loads are the panacea that some hoped they would be.
I admit I am on the other side of the fence on this one but I also see the merit in the theory.
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I'm of the same opinion still and I do shoot TSS and have been expounding on the merits of this high density shot for quite a long time, I am just not convinced that a duplex loading it is THE answer!!
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Dave in AZ » Tue Apr 26, 2016 1:22 pm

Lost i read that post you made and see your points as regards that thread. However this is a different situation, in 28 ga we are just talking about getting sufficient pellets at all, not extemding range or blooming the pattern to give a wide range of usable ranges. This is just about getting near consep at all. Yes the tss happens to have longer range than 39 yds the 3shot but we are not engineering to use thst, its just the smallest tss you can get and happens to have great range.
Tss would likely benefit from being on top or mixed there so theres no central core, just all spread for good small duck pattern density.

Your hypothetical situation is no different from ANY PURE STEEL load at 25 yds such as 12ga 1-1/8 oz #2... yes at that range .75oz qmight have done it and killed the duck, that doesnt mean we shouldnt load and shoot a std 12ga load just because we might shoot one in close... we might need to shoot it at 35 yds too!
Picking a single close range to draw load choice conclusions from is clearly a logical fallacy of the strawman sort. Every load in the universe that might work well at 40 yds will likely also have more pellets on tgt at 25 than you may desire or need. You can adress this by having multiple range loads stacked up and hope the birds present in the right range order, or 2 barrel/choke setup, or load something for the far range and try not to hamburger them in closer.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Tue Apr 26, 2016 3:50 pm

I'm not too worried about having extremely hot loads. The TSS would be fine but I'm not going to duck hunt with the 28. If I was going to take it to the duck blind id probably invest in the TSS, but hunting the marsh hens is going to be like shooting a coot at 20 yards- I think the steel will do just fine. I'm looking for some loads that utilize 800x, Lil' Gun, Blue Dot, or Long Shot. I have some STEEL left but I'd like to save it for my 12ga duck loads.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby hamernhonkers » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:05 pm

26 grains of lilgun, 280 grains of steel 4 shot, tps wad, cheddite hull and primer. After 2 years and 4 or 500 dead ducks that is the load I've settled on for anything from teal to canvas backs out to 30 yards for over the decoys mix bagged shooting.[emoji106]

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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby 3200 man » Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:11 pm

hamernhonkers wrote:26 grains of lilgun, 280 grains of steel 4 shot, tps wad, cheddite hull and primer. After 2 years and 4 or 500 dead ducks that is the load I've settled on for anything from teal to canvas backs out to 30 yards for over the decoys mix bagged shooting.[emoji106]

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Yep that'll do it......nicely !

From Teal to Mallards ( I like a IM (.025) choke in my 525 30" ) it will put'em on the water , feet up ! :yes:

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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:50 pm

I appreciate the load. Has anyone tried this load with fiocchi hulls?
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby dakotashooter2 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:15 pm

Go to the Ballistic Products site, load of the week then page down to archives and search there. You should find something for Fiocchi hulls.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 1:36 pm

I'v found a couple on there. But nothing utilizing the powder I have on hand. I think I have a few Cheddite hulls left, but I have a lot of fiocchi hulls.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Toasty » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:11 pm

LAT88 wrote:I'v found a couple on there. But nothing utilizing the powder I have on hand. I think I have a few Cheddite hulls left, but I have a lot of fiocchi hulls.


Fiocchi and Cheddite 28ga hulls are very similar. The basewad and volume is so close, I couldn't tell a difference when filling them with water volume. The BPI lilgun data that has the same load for both hulls will usually be .5-1 grain less in the fiocchi. If you wanted to use them, drop 1 grain and go for it.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Darryle » Thu Apr 28, 2016 4:36 pm

hamernhonkers wrote:26 grains of lilgun, 280 grains of steel 4 shot, tps wad, cheddite hull and primer. After 2 years and 4 or 500 dead ducks that is the load I've settled on for anything from teal to canvas backs out to 30 yards for over the decoys mix bagged shooting.[emoji106]

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Is there a similar load using the Winchester AAHS hull?
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 5:14 am

I will probably try the fiocchi hull when I get back. How would a roll crimp effect pressure on loads, is it something that should be avoided or is the change negligible and not really noticeable?
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Toasty » Fri Apr 29, 2016 8:58 am

LAT88 wrote:I will probably try the fiocchi hull when I get back. How would a roll crimp effect pressure on loads, is it something that should be avoided or is the change negligible and not really noticeable?


Everything I've read that has comparisons of the same loads folded and rolled shows roll crimping reduces pressure slightly. If it is safe with a fold crimp, typically it is safe with a roll crimp.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Dave in AZ » Fri Apr 29, 2016 1:47 pm

orphanedcowboy wrote:Is there a similar load using the Winchester AAHS hull?

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No, there's no Win AA loads like that-- the volume in Win AA hulls is the smallest of all hulls. In the 28ga it's all how much you can stuff into the hull for steel. Win AA hold 1/8 to 1/4 oz less (lead shot, I measured them all with lead but you get the point) than Rio, depending on flavor; and Cheddite/Fiocchi are 2nd only to Rio.

Here's my blog post on measuring their volumes:
28 Gauge Hull Capacities measured https://pipesf16.wordpress.com/28-gauge ... -measured/
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:16 am

I was looking at some of the HW loads from BP and saw that most call for a 3/8"card filler wad below the shot. Is this just to take up room because of the smaller volume of shot? Would I be able to leave this out and use cut down hulls?
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Dave in AZ » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:41 am

No. Cutting hulls reduces burn volume causing pressures to rise. If a spacer is needed then stuff something in there.
However, 1oz hw13 fits in fio or cheddite on lilgun perfectly. Use those bpi recipes for that.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby lostknife4 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 7:59 am

Dave in AZ wrote:
orphanedcowboy wrote:Is there a similar load using the Winchester AAHS hull?

orphaned,
No, there's no Win AA loads like that-- the volume in Win AA hulls is the smallest of all hulls. In the 28ga it's all how much you can stuff into the hull for steel. Win AA hold 1/8 to 1/4 oz less (lead shot, I measured them all with lead but you get the point) than Rio, depending on flavor; and Cheddite/Fiocchi are 2nd only to Rio.

Here's my blog post on measuring their volumes:
28 Gauge Hull Capacities measured https://pipesf16.wordpress.com/28-gauge ... -measured/



A very informative article that everyone should read, especially those EMI proponents.
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Sat Apr 30, 2016 2:54 pm

hamernhonkers wrote:26 grains of lilgun, 280 grains of steel 4 shot, tps wad, cheddite hull and primer. After 2 years and 4 or 500 dead ducks that is the load I've settled on for anything from teal to canvas backs out to 30 yards for over the decoys mix bagged shooting.[emoji106]

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What's the velocity & pressure for this load?
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby Dave in AZ » Sat Apr 30, 2016 3:56 pm

Lat88 look at the load i posted you at the top, its the same load except with 3 pellets less, 280 vs 273 gr, and i pmed you the powder... from that you can see the vel and pressure will be less. The extra 7 gr of pellets isnt near as important as the much less powder. No one publishes 280 gr so unless its tested youll have to go with "less pressure, less fps".
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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby hamernhonkers » Sat Apr 30, 2016 8:11 pm

LAT88 wrote:
hamernhonkers wrote:26 grains of lilgun, 280 grains of steel 4 shot, tps wad, cheddite hull and primer. After 2 years and 4 or 500 dead ducks that is the load I've settled on for anything from teal to canvas backs out to 30 yards for over the decoys mix bagged shooting.[emoji106]

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What's the velocity & pressure for this load?

Haven't had it pressure tested but there 1450 fps over the chronograph. It's a really sweet little load.

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Re: Looking 28 gauge steel loads

Postby LAT88 » Sun May 01, 2016 3:48 am

I appreciate it. Thank you.
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