duplex 1/2 oz each, steel #6 & #7 for dove

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duplex 1/2 oz each, steel #6 & #7 for dove

Postby muleequine » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:38 pm

any comments? somebody must have tried it. thanks
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Re: duplex 1/2 oz each, steel #6 & #7 for dove

Postby 3200 man » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:34 pm

There's really NO Reason for such a load !
#7's are for Close in shooting , say inside 35 yds , where #6's work well out to 40 yds plus !
Reasoning would be close shots with a higher density pattern and Bigger pellet size for farther away shots with more energy .
Why give up pattern density for either scenario ? Duplex loads have to be determined effective by their shortest distance
shot , this increases the patterns energy for penetration but don't forget , pattern density rules ALL ! :thumbsup: :yes:

I can tell you "IF" you are shooting Ringneck Doves , #6's does a way better job of matching the Birds Size with the pellets
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Re: duplex 1/2 oz each, steel #6 & #7 for dove

Postby Joe Hunter » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:06 am

+1 on 3200's comments!

Here's my take on duplex loads...

Many hunters see duplex loads as multi-range loads that are good at close range and still good at long range due to having both small and large pellets.

In reality, putting some large pellets in with some smaller ones doesn't do anything except reduce the number of each pellet size in the load. It will more than likely handle close-range shooting just fine but reducing the loads number of large pellets due to the inclusion of small pellets will not doubt limit its effectiveness as a long-range load by having too few large pellets.

My thinking is, if you are shooting birds at ranges where the smaller pellets are effective then you might as well be shooting a full load of the smaller pellets, and if you need a long-range load then reducing the number of larger pellets by taking up room with smaller pellets isn’t the way to go.

Go with the pellet size that will get you the pattern density and pellet energy you need for the bird type/size you are shooting and then choke it appropriately for the distances you shoot your birds.

And, here's some info that I've posted before about dove shooting with steel loads that may be helpful.

Doves are pretty fragile birds, so it doesn't take much to bring one down, IF you can put the pattern on their front end.

For shots inside of 40 yards, No. 7 steel works just fine. When your shots start getting out around 40 yards and beyond, the larger No. 6 steel pellet load with tighter chokes will probably serve you better.

Of course, your load and choke selection depends on the type of dove hunting/shooting (water hole, feed field, pass shooting, roost shooting, etc.) you are doing and the normal distance of your shots.

For dove hunters that need or want to shoot steel loads, here are a few of my 12-gauge steel load pattern numbers to give you an idea of the kind of performance you might get from some commonly used choke constrictions.

Pattern results from a 12-gauge Browning Citori with 28" Invector-plus barrels using Briley flush chokes (patterns average of five, 30" post-shot scribed circle, yardage taped muzzle to target, and in-shell pellet count average of five).

12 GA 2 3/4" WINCHESTER XPERT GAME & TARGET STEEL LOAD
1 oz #7 steel (437 pellets) @ 1325 fps
30 YARDS – CYL / pattern 231 (53%)
30 YARDS – SK / pattern 319 (73%)
30 YARDS – IC / pattern 363 (83%)
40 YARDS – LM / pattern 278 (64%)
40 YARDS – M / pattern 286 (65%)
40 YARDS – IM / pattern 300 (69%)
40 YARDS – LF / pattern 306 (70%)
40 YARDS – F / pattern 299 (68%)

12 GA 2 3/4" WINCHESTER XPERT GAME & TARGET STEEL LOAD
1 oz #6 steel (306 pellets) @ 1325 fps
30 YARDS – CYL / pattern 184 (60%)
30 YARDS – SK / pattern 234 (76%)
30 YARDS – IC / pattern 261 (85%)
40 YARDS – LM / pattern 220 (72%)
40 YARDS – M / pattern 222 (73%)
40 YARDS – IM / pattern 227 (74%)
40 YARDS – LF / pattern 229 (75%)
40 YARDS – F / pattern 234 (76%)
50 YARDS – F / pattern 162 (53%)

Here’s a link to study done in Texas comparing lead and steel loads at taking dove.

https://tpwd.texas.gov/publications/non ... sb_504.pdf

Good luck!
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Re: duplex 1/2 oz each, steel #6 & #7 for dove

Postby derbyacresbob » Mon Jun 14, 2021 9:47 pm

Joe Hunter wrote:Doves are pretty fragile birds, so it doesn't take much to bring one down, IF you can put the pattern on their front end.


I agree with Joe on Dove being fragile birds. I am a believer in pellet penetration is normally more important than pellet energy is. But with little light dove higher energy steel pellets may help more on dove than they would on heavier stronger birds.

I am also pretty sure that most shotgun shooters don't realize how much difference 1 or 2 shot sizes makes when it comes to the weight and energy of the pellets and how it effects the speeds and energies of those pellets. The smaller surface area of the smaller lead or denser than lead shot types don't need near as much energy to penetrate deep like the bigger steel shot less dense larger pellet sizes do.

According to KPY Shotshell Ballistics

One steel #7 pellet weighs about 1.049 gr, one steel #6 pellet weighs about 1.396 gr. The Steel #6 pellet is right at 33.08% heavier than the steel #7 pellet is. 1400 fps steel #7 shot is down to 614 fps at 33.0 yards away and has .87 pounds energy, the 1400 fps steel #6 shot is down to 654 fps at 33.0 yards away and it has 1.32 pounds of energy. At 33.0 yards the steel #7 shot gets .70" of gel penetration and the steel #6 shot gets 0.94" of gel penetration.

The steel #6 shot has about 51.7% more energy at 33 yards than the steel #7 shot has.

1400 fps steel #6 shot gets 1.32 pounds of energy at 33 yards with .94" of gel penetration.
1200 fps lead #8 shot gets .99 pounds of energy at 33 yards with 1.14" of gel penetration.

The slower lead #8 shot with about 33.3% less energy gets about 21.27% more penetration at 33 yards than the faster steel #6 shot gets. The steel #6 shot pellet that starts out 200 fps faster is only 6 fps faster than the lead #8 shot that started out 200 fps slower at 33 yards away.

For hunting dove I would have way more confidence with loads with 100% steel #6 shot than I would with a steel shot duplex loads with steel #6 and #7 shot in it. At longer ranges the two different shot sizes would not arrive at the same time.
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Re: duplex 1/2 oz each, steel #6 & #7 for dove

Postby 3200 man » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:59 am

Thanks Bob and like most other Duplex loads , if the same shot density is being use , there's little advantage !
I wouldn't be saying the same thing , if , we are talking Steel shot along with HTL loads ! :no: :thumbsup:
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