Fiocchi primers

Interact with others on shot gun shells, reloading, ballistics, chokes, or anything that has to do with your shooting.

Moderators: donell67, pennsyltucky, NV Guide

Fiocchi primers

Postby bojac » Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:42 am

I ran some Fiocchi primers in my waterfowl reloads. Now my cheddite primers work out of the the primer pockets I used the Fiocchi primers in. I never heard of Fiocchis being fatter.
bojac
hunter
 
Posts: 251
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:56 pm

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby JRS » Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:09 am

Mine are just as you said.
JRS
hunter
 
Posts: 196
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:26 am

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby flyndutchman » Sun Jan 17, 2021 2:32 pm

Cheddites are the smallest of the Euro primers then Fiocchi and Rios the biggest I have used. Cannot comment on Nobel Sport, never used them. Even the domestic ones vary a little. I find CCI and Fed to be slightly smaller than Winchester.
flyndutchman
hunter
 
Posts: 664
Joined: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:44 pm
Location: Wenatchee

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby jsh909 » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:03 pm

Yep fiocchi is bigger than cheddite. And rio is bigger than fiocchi. Cheddite is a hair bigger than win209. Cci and fed are slightly smaller than win209
jsh909
hunter
 
Posts: 1224
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:36 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby John Singer » Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:57 pm

I have found Fiocci primers to be inconsistent in waterfowl loads. I stopped using them several years ago due to misfires and bloopers.
John Singer
John Singer
hunter
 
Posts: 584
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:16 am
Location: Rochester, MN

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby lil dinamo » Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:18 pm



BPI's primer pocket conditioners work well to tighten them up too.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Unive ... o/0740010/
Make people smart again.
lil dinamo
hunter
 
Posts: 222
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2007 10:11 pm

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby bojac » Mon Jan 18, 2021 8:23 am

I haven't had any misfire problems yet with these primers, but I've only shot 4 boxes of shells. So 900 primers left. Primers are scarce right now in my area and prolly for the next 4 yrs. My cousin went to a gun show and found some primers for $75 a 1000. Heck with that! I do have a BP primer pocket conditioner. I guess I'll have to get it out on the bench.
Thanks for the primer tutorial. I bookmarked it.
bojac
hunter
 
Posts: 251
Joined: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:56 pm

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby Dave in AZ » Mon Jan 18, 2021 12:11 pm

Also BPI is putting fio primer warning on their website and all of their mailings now. The new 3 in fiocchi hulls are coming with a magnum primer standard, this is not the normal fio616 that we are used to in that all the data is for! I have never seen any data for a fiocchi magnum primer. BPI says that they are going to provide data soon, but they say that about every wad they begin supplying and usually 10 years goes by and still no data, or four or five data points.

Basically we have zero idea how hot that new fiocchi Magnum primer is, because there are no data points in existence of anything loaded with it to use as a comparison. Even assuming that it will be equal or less then the Fed 209a is a complete guess. I wouldn't Burgess or use any of them until I either had some data for them, or some solid comparisons with Federal, Rio, and CCI Magnum primers.

And yeah, cheddite basically fits the same as Winchester primer, even easier for me actually. And I don't use fiocchi primers because every test I've sent it with them comes back with larger variation then the cheddite primers.
Dave in AZ
hunter
 
Posts: 2182
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:43 am

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby baltz526 » Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:27 am

Load of the week. Fiocchi 12ga 3” Buckshot



Our lab has been working more with the Fiocchi 616-Magnum Primer. This primer is now standard in production Fiocchi 3” and 3-1/2” 12ga hulls. It is quite a bit hotter than their Standard 616 Primer. The lab has noted differing reactions to this primer with different powders. Longshot has shown a very volatile change, which could be traced to Longshot’s ignition qualities.



Primer Notice: Do NOT use the Magnum primer in load data that specifies the standard Fiocchi 616 primer.


Load#11037

HULL: Fiocchi 12-ga 3”

PRIMER: Fiocchi 616 MAGNUM

PROPELLANT: Hodgdon Longshot® 29.8 grains

WAD: MG42

SHOT: 1-1/2 ounce Lead Buckshot (#1-Buck used in tests, 16 pellets, 656 grains)

FOLD CRIMP: 6-point w/OS12 overshot

Results: 1290 FPS 11850 PSI



Load#11036

HULL: Fiocchi 12-ga 3”

PRIMER: Fiocchi 616 MAGNUM

PROPELLANT: Hodgdon Longshot® 27.9 grains

WAD: MG42

SHOT: 1-1/2 ounce Lead Buckshot (#1-Buck used in tests, 16 pellets, 656 grains)

BUFFER: Original 15 grains

FOLD CRIMP: 6-point w/OS12 overshot

Results: 1230 FPS 10350 PSI

Load#11039

HULL: Fiocchi 12-ga 3”

PRIMER: Fiocchi 616 Standard

PROPELLANT: Hodgdon Longshot® 32.0 grains

WAD: MG42

SHOT: 1-1/2 ounce Lead Buckshot (#1-Buck used in tests, 16 pellets, 656 grains)

BUFFER: Original 15 grains

FOLD CRIMP: 6-point w/OS12 overshot

Results: 1293 FPS 10053 PSI
OHA life member Lapine oregon
User avatar
baltz526
hunter
 
Posts: 1774
Joined: Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:29 pm
Location: Lapine Oregon

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby Dave in AZ » Sat Jan 23, 2021 11:29 am

That is interesting...
That 3 in 12ga load is overpressure for saami spec of 11500 psi!

Load#11037

HULL: Fiocchi 12-ga 3”

PRIMER: Fiocchi 616 MAGNUM

PROPELLANT: Hodgdon Longshot® 29.8 grains

WAD: MG42

SHOT: 1-1/2 ounce Lead Buckshot (#1-Buck used in tests, 16 pellets, 656 grains)

FOLD CRIMP: 6-point w/OS12 overshot

Results: 1290 FPS 11850 PSI
Dave in AZ
hunter
 
Posts: 2182
Joined: Wed Dec 17, 2014 4:43 am

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby jsh909 » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:45 am

I caught that too Dave, what a weird way to build a 3 inch load
jsh909
hunter
 
Posts: 1224
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:36 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby wildflights » Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:36 am

flyndutchman wrote:Cheddites are the smallest of the Euro primers then Fiocchi and Rios the biggest I have used. Cannot comment on Nobel Sport, never used them. Even the domestic ones vary a little. I find CCI and Fed to be slightly smaller than Winchester.


I bounce back and forth between Fiocchi and Noble Sport. I believe they are the same diameter.
wildflights
hunter
 
Posts: 369
Joined: Sat Sep 21, 2013 4:57 pm

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby C M Wings » Wed Jan 27, 2021 12:48 pm

This latest part of the thread is great example of something BT Justice used to preach....

Pressure and velocity are not related... or at least not highly related. Good powder burn equals good velocity.

Great data between the different primers and powder loads to illustrate that point here.
Ducks
C M Wings
hunter
 
Posts: 630
Joined: Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:35 pm

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby muleequine » Thu Jan 28, 2021 8:55 pm

jsh909 wrote:Yep fiocchi is bigger than cheddite. And rio is bigger than fiocchi. Cheddite is a hair bigger than win209. Cci and fed are slightly smaller than win209


You're referring to blue box Win 209 I imagine?
muleequine
hunter
 
Posts: 78
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:11 am
Location: MT

Re: Fiocchi primers

Postby jsh909 » Wed Feb 03, 2021 5:02 pm

muleequine wrote:
jsh909 wrote:Yep fiocchi is bigger than cheddite. And rio is bigger than fiocchi. Cheddite is a hair bigger than win209. Cci and fed are slightly smaller than win209


You're referring to blue box Win 209 I imagine?

White or blue box would follow suit, but yes blue box
jsh909
hunter
 
Posts: 1224
Joined: Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:36 pm
Location: Ohio


Return to Shotshell, Reloading, Ballistics, & Chokes

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 13 guests