You going to pattern it out further than 40 yards?
Yes. I will be doing more patterning with the finalized loads and collecting velocities to average with a higher number of shots than what I collected in load development. I am waiting on receiving more shot currently, but will resume testing when I get it in. I will be patterning the Mag-10 Deluxe with the .745" and .735" Briley chokes at 50, 55, and 60 yards. I will also be checking patterns at 40, 50, 55, and 60 yards with the G10 using the .720 Terror Tube and the Mag-10 Standard Grade (32" barrel, .725" fixed 'FULL').You going to pattern it out further than 40 yards?
Honestly, I think trying to reclaim by more than 30-40% would be more trouble than it's worth, unless you are sending 10 lb bags of it down range for development of loads for retail sales (which I may do in the future, among other 10ga related endeavors...). But I would say a big piece of plywood with a tarp under it about 5 yards past the target would work fairly well. Deformation of the pellets is going to occur regardless, so honestly reclamation of the shot would be for smelting and creating home-made shot. Not a bad idea though!That's a lot of bismuth down range! Wonder how you could reclaim it. Some kind of backstop that wouldn't deform it... hm..
Why'd you choose VV powder? I've seen some steel data for various VV powders and hav always been curious. In the past, it cost too much for me to try. But now...
If only looking at the two, say Alliant Steel and Viht 3N38 (or 3N37), both are capable of the same performance and relative pressures of the same payloads. VV seems a bit more versatile with the 1-3/4oz and up loadings in the 10ga, but overall steel works well and is very useful for 10, 12, 16, and magnum 20 loads. I will say that in my experience Alliant Steel is the less efficient and dirtier burning of the two. Is it enough so to make a significant difference? I'm not able to really collect hard data on that, but anecdotally I would say it is enough of a difference for me. I still keep a couple pounds of it around though!I've seen some of that Finnish/Danish data. Some of it is pretty edgy. But I'm intrigued because VV powder is usually easier to find than A.Steel.
I feel like we're in a cul-de-sac with steel ammo right now. With alliant steel, we can easily achieve good enough performance in 20, 16, 12, and 10 gauges, and any push for better than good enough is channeled into HTL shot. How many other powders out there could do what steel does and more? Maybe none, but I dont think a lot of folks are looking.
Obviously, we're never going to turn steel into lead, but is 1.25 oz at 1450-1500 fps really as far as we can go?
This is merely a matter of curiosity on my part. One thing that annoys me to no end is the stick-in-the-mud mindset of so many shotgunners. Mention a 3" 16 ga hull and then find cover fast!
It's all about marketing. There is a significant presence of "small bore" shooters in the water fowling culture of Americans, which for some reason see anything less than a 12 as "small bore". If the manufacturers saw a market large enough to add an "innovative" product like a 3" 16 gauge hull, to they will do it.I agree with you for the most part. However, I wasn't thinking about speed alone so much, but payload as well. Say a 3" 12 ga 1.375 oz at 1400 fps. (And yes, it would kick more, but not everyone has the same limitations,)
There's nothing magical about the 2.75" hull length. We're super excited about advances in other areas (like scope technology), why be bound by "square load" thinking? Sure, English gunsmiths honed a design style--but they weren't divinely inspired.
To my mind, a 3" 16 ga would allow for higher performance ammo because it would preclude older firearms. 1.125 oz of steel shot at 1350-1400 isn't too far on recoil from standard 16 ga field loads, but will require more space than a 2.75" hull will give. Only problem is there are only 5 people who'd buy one...
I just placed an order with Boss a little over a week ago for 10lbs of #2’s and the price was $20/lb. Not the greatest, but you can’t get copper plated bismuth anywhere else.Sounds like a cool project. You could definitely reclaim it by making a giant t-shirt trap. Big box full of old clothing, it stops 100fpe rifle rounds for reclaiming the shot so it will stop those little bizzy pellets for sure. Im guessing they wouldn't be prime for shooting again but maybe have value for remelt.
How much does boss charge for shot? I tried to ask and was told they dont sell it, then another guy (the owner i suppose) said they do sell it and the other guy was mistaken. But never replied to my followups about pricing
I unfortunately do not have pressure data. My assumption based on hull conditions is that they are still well within CIP and SAAMI specs. I will eventually have some loads sent for lab testing, but it won’t be anytime soon.Thank you for the load details and the video, Well done.
Do you have any pressure data on these 2oz buffered bismuth loads?
I was unaware that Kent ever offered a 10ga load, let alone one in their Bismuth loadings. Very nice double you have and congrats on that swan!View attachment 477269 View attachment 477270 these were taken with Kent bismuth factory out of Ithaca magnum 10. 1 shot ea
I did see that. I missed out on this year’s production run, but I still have about 120 rounds in reserve from the 2020 production run. I am not sure why they went up on payload 1/16oz, but I suspect it was for a more consistent crimp. They had some trouble getting the load crimped consistently on the first run, which was most likely due to their powder choice and the election to utilize a PT1044 Gualandi wad, which is fairly short to begin with. 2-1/16oz is also a slightly odd payload weight but it was close to 2-1/4oz lead payload heights in the same wad/hull.I looked, boss bumped their payload up to 2.125oz in their most recent 10gauge offering. I shot a box or 2 of their original 10gauge options in a browning gold (cycling issues) and a BPS, as well as a single shot H&R.