get a pattern master, there the best, don't waste time trying crap, I have one in my sbe and it's awsome, huge difference, and it works great for turkey too.
Got to go with the patern master!!!!!! Thought that it was one of the most deadlyest things a man could have on my super black eagle. Until I got a patern master on my 10 gauge. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Won't use anything else.............
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