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In election 2008, don't forget about the Angry White Man

Gary Hubbell, Aspen Times Weekly, February 9, 2008
http://www.aspentimes.com/article/2008198091324

There is a great amount of interest in this year's presidential elections, as everybody seems to recognize that our next president has to be a lot better than George Bush. The Democrats are riding high with two groundbreaking candidates - a woman and an African-American - while the conservative Republicans are in a quandary about their party's nod to a quasi-liberal maverick, John McCain.

Each candidate is carefully pandering to a smorgasbord of special-interest groups, ranging from gay, lesbian and transgender people to children of illegal immigrants to working mothers to evangelical Christians.

There is one group no one has recognized, and it is the group that will decide the election: the Angry White Man. The Angry White Man comes from all economic backgrounds, from dirt-poor to filthy rich. He represents all geographic areas in America, from urban sophisticate to rural *******, deep South to mountain West, left Coast to Eastern Seaboard.

His common traits are that he isn't looking for anything from anyone - just the promise to be able to make his own way on a level playing field. In many cases, he is an independent businessman and employs several people. He pays more than his share of taxes and works hard.

The victimhood syndrome buzzwords - "disenfranchised," "marginalized" and "voiceless" - don't resonate with him. "Press 'one' for English" is a curse-word to him. He's used to picking up the tab, whether it's the company Christmas party, three sets of braces, three college educations or a beautiful wedding.

He believes the Constitution is to be interpreted literally, not as a "living document" open to the whims and vagaries of a panel of judges who have never worked an honest day in their lives.

The Angry White Man owns firearms, and he's willing to pick up a gun to defend his home and his country. He is willing to lay down his life to defend the freedom and safety of others, and the thought of killing someone who needs killing really doesn't bother him.

The Angry White Man is not a metrosexual, a homosexual or a victim. Nobody like him drowned in Hurricane Katrina - he got his people together and got the hell out, then went back in to rescue those too helpless and stupid to help themselves, often as a police officer, a National Guard soldier or a volunteer firefighter.

His last name and religion don't matter. His background might be Italian, English, Polish, German, Slavic, Irish, or Russian, and he might have Cherokee, Mexican, or Puerto Rican mixed in, but he considers himself a white American.

He's a man's man, the kind of guy who likes to play poker, watch football, hunt white-tailed deer, call turkeys, play golf, spend a few bucks at a strip club once in a blue moon, change his own oil and build things. He coaches baseball, soccer and football teams and doesn't ask for a penny. He's the kind of guy who can put an addition on his house with a couple of friends, drill an oil well, weld a new bumper for his truck, design a factory and publish books. He can fill a train with 100,000 tons of coal and get it to the power plant on time so that you keep the lights on and never know what it took to flip that light switch.

Women either love him or hate him, but they know he's a man, not a dishrag. If they're looking for someone to walk all over, they've got the wrong guy. He stands up straight, opens doors for women and says "Yes, sir" and "No, ma'am."

He might be a Republican and he might be a Democrat; he might be a Libertarian or a Green. He knows that his wife is more emotional than rational, and he guides the family in a rational manner.

He's not a racist, but he is annoyed and disappointed when people of certain backgrounds exhibit behavior that typifies the worst stereotypes of their race. He's willing to give everybody a fair chance if they work hard, play by the rules and learn English.

Most important, the Angry White Man is pissed off. When his job site becomes flooded with illegal workers who don't pay taxes and his wages drop like a stone, he gets righteously angry. When his job gets shipped overseas, and he has to speak to some incomprehensible idiot in India for tech support, he simmers. When Al Sharpton comes on TV, leading some rally for reparations for slavery or some such nonsense, he bites his tongue and he remembers. When a child gets charged with carrying a concealed weapon for mistakenly bringing a penknife to school, he takes note of who the local idiots are in education and law enforcement.

He also votes, and the Angry White Man loathes Hillary Clinton. Her voice reminds him of a shovel scraping a rock. He recoils at the mere sight of her on television. Her very image disgusts him, and he cannot fathom why anyone would want her as their leader. It's not that she is a woman. It's that she is who she is. It's the liberal victim groups she panders to, the "poor me" attitude that she represents, her inability to give a straight answer to an honest question, his tax dollars that she wants to give to people who refuse to do anything for themselves.

There are many millions of Angry White Men. Four million Angry White Men are members of the National Rifle Association, and all of them will vote against Hillary Clinton, just as the great majority of them voted for George Bush.

He hopes that she will be the Democratic nominee for president in 2008, and he will make sure that she gets beaten like a drum[/b]
 

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Oh my god. I'm white?

Hell naww I'm not. But I live everyone of those attributes you listed (except for the strip club, well anymore).

So I'm an angry black man. and I am disenfranchised or whatever because you think every black man is chasing Obama or even Hillary. And you're wrong about so many more things than just that.

You wrap me up with Obama and Sharpton and Jesse just because of the color of my skin and you don't know me or the people around me. Or what I've been through or done -> for YOU and my country.

Why don't you give 'some' black people the benefit of being able to read and have a mind of their own.

This is why they say they are disenfranchised and voiceless, because you think you're holy and everyone else is not.
 

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how about a thread called "why white men rule the world" or "why white men are better than everybody else" or "why white men are the only ones who can be stand up guys" ??!?!?! :eek:

sure most of us identify with what the article was saying, but you dont have to be ****** white to do so.

David Henderson -- irish/english/puerto rican white duck hunter

p.s anybody ever watch the chris rock dvd's?
 

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I think the article is popular here not because it calls blacks lazy, or that it puts whites on a pedestal. I think its popular because it hits the attitude and demographic in here. In the DHC. And the fact that working class middle america is taken to the cleaners now adays pisses some guys off. Its funny how you guys got worked up enough to respond with your opinions against the other guys in here and the other guys were responding to the letter.
 

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Well said and you hit the nail right on the Head!!!!!!
It happens all over you are not alone with these issues , your good neighbours to the north have the same situation. Small interest groups with a degree in Whining 101 that could teach the course. From Native Issues(land claims) to French Canadians that live in fear of English Speaking Canada & Welfare addicts that think that we owe them a living from birth. It is job security for the police,
welfare depts and Children Aid Society ect. I keep hearing that we live in the best country(s) in the world, why do you think so many people are banging on our doors to get in here. However for how much longer, we give in to easy to immigrants and these small groups that just do not get it. If I moved to Germany, that last thing I would do is join a Canadian Club/Association, when in Rome
do as the Romans do. I would learn the language not demand English be second language. Yes I am a proud Canadian living in another country of my choice for what ever reason. It almost sends me over the edge when I hear "First Nations People" and African Americans, sorry that is almost 400 years ago get over it. How about Americans/Canadians of other former heritage. The point here is that you are Canadians/Americans first and all esle second. Don't spend so much time on telling where you came from we know already that and lets work together. All to easy and that is why the world is in the state it is in right now.

Talk is cheap, "you are either part of the solution or part of the problem" pick a side.
 

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I fully responded to the 'letter', the position of the letter resonates with every patriotic american be it black, white or green. Unfortunately this one was meant to mean that only white people do what's right. It could have meant and earned the same respect by being named Angry American, Angry Patriot, Angry Taxpayer. Instead it shows clearly that you are the supreme being.

But the letter and the so called demographic is not funny because you think you're the only demographic on DHC and in the world that counts, that works for a living, that pays taxes and a mortgage and doesn't live with their momma or in an Escalade.
Why can't I just be of the demographic - American, Veteran, Voter, Patriot, Hunter, DHC Member? Why do you have to be better than me?

That is not funny to me. Surely you do not think that I am worked up over this or anything that you can say. You only get worked up when you're surprised by something.

See how funny it is when your actions, beliefs and position don't surprise me.
 

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Why do you have to be better than me?
When you sterotype others, you lose your ability to complain about being stereotyped.
 

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duckhunter45 said:
However for how much longer, we give in to easy to immigrants and these small groups that just do not get it.

It almost sends me over the edge when I hear "First Nations People" and African Americans, sorry that is almost 400 years ago get over it.
(for the first part) What's your plan? You run for office, vote, write your legislators? Seems like you're worked up.

(Secondly) While I agree 95% you can't begin to understand. You want to say 'that was 400 years ago' 200 actually. But you want to distance yourself from it, it wasn't me. I say the same thing. It wasn't me, didn't happen to me. But we have to keep that 5% amongst us because it is our heritage. it did happen.
now what do 'you' do about it.

I learned how to read, just as my parents and theirs and theirs...
I didn't sit on my ass waiting for a handout. I acted like I had some home training and sat down in school. Respected my elders, cared for them in old age instead of putting them in a home. Had a career and a family; you see they call it the 'american dream' not the white dream.

There are members of each of our races that are not upstanding citizens. Yet you are still holy.

You don't know me either. So stop assuming that every black person is like you see on TV.
 

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When you sterotype others, you lose your ability to complain about being stereotyped.
Surely you are speaking of yourself and the Angry White Man letter.

That was the stereotype that you just ran with.

I didn't stereotype anyone, I said YOU. YOU are showing your true holiness.

Because I'm not in your demograhpic I must be a criminal, a dope dealer, unpatriotic, unworthy to you.

That's what I'm asking you to stop doing. Don't stereotype me because I'm black.

Now you want to surprise me; stop stereotyping me.
 

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Sounds to me like you are worked up because you are losing track of what we were talking about. It is simple point and counter point. I was talking about the letter and how it in my opinion doesnt claim that Whites are better than anyone else. Then you go on to make accusations against everyone else.

Why do you have to be better than me?
You insinuate that I think this way.

Respected my elders, cared for them in old age instead of putting them in a home.
Here you insinuate that whites or people not like yourself disrespect their elders by putting them in retirement homes.

You don't know me either. So stop assuming that every black person is like you see on TV.
Your right I dont know you, and I dont assume every black person is like I see on TV. But once again you are insinuating that I do. Whats the difference between you insinuating that I think all blacks are lazy and inferior and the letter claiming all whites are working class? In my Opinion you got off on a tangent and turned this into black versus white and I dont think thats what the letter is about at its core.
 

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Ok I apologize. I don't see what I wrote the same as you do.

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Why do you have to be better than me?

I'm not insinuating. I'm saying point blank that if you can laugh, chuckle and believe in your heart that only white people can be angry about the same things that are written in the letter then you ARE saying that you are better than me.

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Respected my elders, cared for them in old age instead of putting them in a home.

This one has nothing to do with any persons color. I truly didn't mean it that way. I do mean that WE as human beings, men need to take care of our elders as they took care of us. Totally about shirking our duty and that's all.

Their is a tangent. The tangent is I believe in my heart that YOU and many people like you do not take issue with the way the letter is written.

The issue is COLOR/RACE and I don't want it to be. But it is and it is everyday that letters/beliefs and hearts are like this.

What's the title of the letter? What are the people's responses pointing to?

Once again I'm asking that you allow me to be angry with you no matter my color. If I have earned it can I have the right?

Why couldn't I have just been included from the beginning. Why is it only white angry men.
 

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double bayou: there is a reason for those stereotypes. come down to port arthur and drive around and tell me that you dont see drug deals, drive bys, babies in the front yard and their parents passed out inside. i think it is obvious that the stereotype does not include you by any means, but you have to admit that there is a huge problem in certain predominately black areas. the problem is that for every person like you, there are 10 more that just want to milk the system and do like their momma did and have babies to increase their welfare check.

Why couldn't I have just been included from the beginning. Why is it only white angry men.
that was the author of the article's prerogative to title it angry white man. im assuming that it is because he is an angry white man. it is actually rare to see the word "white" referring to race in a title now adays. its not PC, but it is PC to say cracker, ******, etc. dont get me started on that subject though...

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Well ageng02 you should know that I have been to PA. Actually got shot at there a couple times. By black and white guys!!!!!!

But I know exactly what you're talking about there, pick a street.

Now, I can also pick streets and go get a truck load of white guys doing dope, burglaries, and going to the clinic for methadone everyday. And are on welfare.

Without question far more blacks down there slinging rock. That's their decision. I made mine.

That's the stereotype. Do you think that because I'm black and was raised in Beaumont that I stand on the corner and sling. What about those of us that are attorneys, physicians, engineers, LEO's, Mechanics, Carpenters and ain't never been to jail (unless I was making a deposit).

Its real simple from my perspective. I'm not them but I'm getting lumped with them because of my color.

I don't think that because someone is white they believe or do a certain thing. Because that's wrong, its not correct. And its not fair to people that don't act/feel that way.

Can any of you all say that about me?
 

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From what I read is, its entire meaning was stated in the first couple of paragraphs.

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Each candidate is carefully pandering to a smorgasbord of special-interest groups, ranging from gay, lesbian and transgender people to children of illegal immigrants to working mothers to evangelical Christians.

There is one group no one has recognized, and it is the group that will decide the election: the Angry White Man."
 

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hey i know exactly what type of person you are because i work with people who are black and are very successful in the community. my co worker and friend was just on a panel at lamar for black history month because she has done well with her life. and it does suck for yall because yall are not going to take handouts. but the numbers are just that overwhelming. i dont see a black person and assume that they arent good, but i see a lot more down here that arent good at all. just my observations. i know around houston there is less of that. not in houston city limits, but in the suburbs.
 

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DoubleBayou, interesting comments, when I read the letter I thought it was odd that it was titled Angry white man. seemed provacitive. I didn't see it as racisist as I think you did but after I have read your posts I definately see where you are coming from. If the title was

In election 2008, don't forget about the Angry Middle Class Man

would you have any problem with it? or is there content that you disagree with also?
John
 
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