[Duckedo]

The problem with VDGIF's officers inforcing the laws on the water is the fact that all of them do not enforce the laws the same way. Virginia leaves the meaning of the law open for each CPO to enforce them as they see fit. I had a friend ticketed for hunting over bait two years ago. They were hunting the James River from a blind on a farm pasture. The bait was some corn that had been excreted in cow manure. Yes it was in manure that the cows had dropped in the field around the blind, it had not been spread by the farmer. To add insult to injury, the hunters were told they could not hunt the area for 30 days after the last of the corn had been removed. I have to say this is dumb as dumb can be. I'm not sure what a hunter can do about it but it seems to me that VDGIF is out of control and needs to have their authority to reduced/regulated.

My friend got a lawyer but was found guilty. He had to pay a hefty fine and couldnt hunt a lease that he had pauid a big price for.

 

[Baysider]

Lew, your post was correct as far as I know, and GH's post wasnt directed at you.

We have some good debates going right now fellas and I must say from the mods, thanks for keeping it clean. :thumbsup:

 

[Baysider]

The problem with VDGIF's officers inforcing the laws on the water is the fact that all of them do not enforce the laws the same way. Virginia leaves the meaning of the law open for each CPO to enforce them as they see fit. I had a friend ticketed for hunting over bait two years ago. They were hunting the James River from a blind on a farm pasture. The bait was some corn that had been excreted in cow manure. Yes it was in manure that the cows had dropped in the field around the blind, it had not been spread by the farmer. To add insult to injury, the hunters were told they could not hunt the area for 30 days after the last of the corn had been removed. I have to say this is dumb as dumb can be. I'm not sure what a hunter can do about it but it seems to me that VDGIF is out of control and needs to have their authority to reduced/regulated.

My friend got a lawyer but was found guilty. He had to pay a hefty fine and couldnt hunt a lease that he had pauid a big price for.

I'd call BS here if I didnt already know just how ignorant some of the GW's can be. And its 10 days BTW.

Baited area means any area on which salt, grain, or other feed has been placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, or scattered, if that salt, grain, or other feed could serve as a lure or attraction for migratory game birds to, on, or over areas where hunters are attempting to take them. Any such area will remain a baited area for ten days following the complete removal of all such salt, grain, or other feed.

 

[gooosehunter]

Yes, good conversation here. LewDogg, my comments were not directed at you as it seems you understand the real problem. YES, it is ten days for VA, but only two days and a wake up for us NC hunters :thumbsup:

You mean like the GW that made me put my blind license on the outside of my blind, in the sun, facing the refuge. Or the ones that draw blinds on Back Bay to hunt with the public undercover (yes, they have draw numbers for each day just like the rest of us). Just look in their boats...no decoys or shot guns and taking a spot meant for someone who is acturally hunting. At least they give it a try.

 

[nickp9797]

Yeah, ok, you win. You are the smartest person in Virginia, the person that is all knowing all when it comes to the Virginia Beach old blind rules/regulations, State laws, DGIG regulations and the history of waterfowling on Back Bay. We are all inferior to your superior intellect and should bow down to you when you pass. Some people just do not get it. Good luck to everyone and we will see you all out there. (not you Lewdogg)

What don't I get? I have yet to hear any argument from you other than VDGIF is enforcing the laws and your not happy about it.

 

[Duckedo]

The 10 days was one of the issues I was talking about. I think there is a 30 day law on deer feeders or something. The CPO didn't even know the correct laws.

 

[Baysider]

The 10 days was one of the issues I was talking about. I think there is a 30 day law on deer feeders or something. The CPO didn't even know the correct laws.

WOW..... :no: that is sad.

 

[gooosehunter]

Does anyone know what stores still sell "a clue"? Nevermind. Ignoring as best i can here..but the urge is to great and it is making me want to respond....nope, won't do it.

Duckedo...I thought you were talking about ten days until the VA season opens....duh, ten days after all bait has been removed is the law regarding baiting. I am slow and have me helmet back on now. Please continue. Laughing at myself here.

Everyone hunting Back Bay...make sure you have all your safety gear ~ life jackets out and accesable (no tears or mildew), fire extinguishers, operational lights (use them), paddle and everything else related to safety you need as related to the size of your boat. As you can expect the CPO's will be out in force and waiting to stop you in the canal on the way out to your blinds. Also, make sure you have your registration in your boat as that caused several citations last season.

 

[nickp9797]

Does anyone know what stores still sell "a clue"? Nevermind. Ignoring as best i can here..but the urge is to great and it is making me want to respond....nope, won't do it.

Duckedo...I thought you were talking about ten days until the VA season opens....duh, ten days after all bait has been removed is the law regarding baiting. I am slow and have me helmet back on now. Please continue. Laughing at myself here.

Everyone hunting Back Bay...make sure you have all your safety gear ~ life jackets out and accesable (no tears or mildew), fire extinguishers, operational lights (use them), paddle and everything else related to safety you need as related to the size of your boat. As you can expect the CPO's will be out in force and waiting to stop you in the canal on the way out to your blinds. Also, make sure you have your registration in your boat as that caused several citations last season.

I am still waiting for a intelligent arguement. The only thing i keep hearing is whining about how i dont understand and comments about how smart and clueless i am. please enlighten the forum here with the ins and outs of how back bay was/should be run?

 

[Tracker Grizzley]

Please dont run to another thread. Im trying to have a intelligent argument. I will post the same question here. In all honesty what will it hurt to have hunting on Sunday's? Just looking to see it from your side. Hopefully you will answer the question here or on the sunday thread..Not calling you clueless at all just wanting to understand your stance. Other than it might hurt your week in december to hunt. Because a lot of people come on here and talk about how selfish we are for pushing sunday hunting but most of the reasons I see for not having it are very selfish...Enough on this thread...Sorry for the highjack...

Tracker

 

[ESVA Duckin]

I take back every cussing I ever laid on the good ole ESVA when I was growing up. HGWT did you get your golf cart back? :yes:

 

[VA Wigeon]

Tracker, PLEASE! For the love of all that is good don't syart a Sunday hunting thing here. 3/4 of this forum is already dedicated to it.

nickp,

To maybe oversimplify it, the blind licenses were tied to a specific spot when they were registered with the clerk of court in VA Beach. When you renewed or "acquired" a blind it was in a set location because the clerk issued a license for that spot. Blinds with legs is a recent thing as before it was very easy to prove someone was moving in to your spot so most people were well behaved. Now the state has decided in their infinite wisdom to allow the blinds to be renewed online without ensuring they are in the same location at the time of issuance. Sure, you are supposed to sign that you are renewing the license and it is implied that the blind has not moved but DGIF selectively not enforcing that at the time of issuance people are putting blinds anywhere they "think" is open. I had one DGIF official say, and I quote "what's wrong with that?" Problem is that these spots are NOT open because somebody is just getting around to replacing a blind taken out by the ice. Next thing ya know we got blinds on top of each other and DGIF doesn't have a clue as to who is in the right because they don't have the records and manpower to correct these conflicts they have set up, nor do they care very much as they have a "that's your problem" attitude.

Basically the situation is FUBAR. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, the scariest thing a hunter can hear is "Hi, I am from DGIF and I am here to help." PLEASE STOP HELPING!

 

[imaduckin up north]

NickP757 ~
As far as regulating people not owning more than one blind....Good luck with this one. There are more holes in this law than a fish net. My kids (3) each own two blinds, my wife owns two blinds, my brother (4) own two each and if that does not work for you...I can "own" as many hunt clubs as I wish that can own two blinds each.

i cant believe the arrogance of this comment, this is exactly why blind laws need to be changed and also why blinds need to have gps mapping

 

[Tracker Grizzley]

Never would...Only reason I responded was nick came to this thread looking for a intelligent argument. Just wanted him to come back to the thread he had so much to say about...I wouldnt say 3/4 of the site is about sunday hunting...Maybe 11/16 but not 3/4 :thumbsup:

Tracker

 

[LEWDOG]

[ this is exactly why blind laws need to be changed and also why blinds need to have gps mapping

I now know why your avatar has the same guy throwing and getting hit in the head, GPS mapping of blinds would be cutting you out of floating hunting anywhere other then ES and West of 95, That's pure fact .

:fingerhead: LD :fingerpt:

 

[imaduckin up north]

[ this is exactly why blind laws need to be changed and also why blinds need to have gps mapping

I now know why your avatar has the same guy throwing and getting hit in the head, GPS mapping of blinds would be cutting you out of floating hunting anywhere other then ES and West of 95, That's pure fact .

:fingerhead: LD :fingerpt:

i dont believe that for a minute lew, it would elimanate dummy blinds and limit blind ownership. such as a blind tagged by a 10 year old kid for his dad thus opening up water for floaters and hunters that wish to build a legal blind and tag it

 

[LEWDOG]

I see a new thread in my future .

LD

 

[gooosehunter]

NickP757 ~
As far as regulating people not owning more than one blind....Good luck with this one. There are more holes in this law than a fish net. My kids (3) each own two blinds, my wife owns two blinds, my brother (4) own two each and if that does not work for you...I can "own" as many hunt clubs as I wish that can own two blinds each.

i cant believe the arrogance of this comment, this is exactly why blind laws need to be changed and also why blinds need to have gps mapping

Imaducking ~ I am trying to see where you find any arrogance in my quote. I simply stated the law about only owning two blinds per person is flawed. That is not my law, the is VA law/DGIF regulation. I was not indicating I have that many blinds, it was an example. OMG, what would someone do with that many deepwater blinds. As a matter of fact, I do not have four brothers either. We are only reacting to what the DGIF has done to us on Back Bay and if you want your children to have the same blind (only 309 allowed in Virginia Beach) you had, you better know how to legally.

As far as the GPS mapping is concerned. Everyone who hunts may not own a GPS. Just like the float blind drawings everyone does not have access to a computer for the online application. Some people snail mail their applications to NY.

Thank you VA Widgeon for explaining the plight on Back Bay in more detail so even real simple people can understand…LOL! I think I hear banjos playing in the background.

 

[KAhunter]

Tracker, PLEASE! For the love of all that is good don't syart a Sunday hunting thing here. 3/4 of this forum is already dedicated to it.

nickp,

To maybe oversimplify it, the blind licenses were tied to a specific spot when they were registered with the clerk of court in VA Beach. When you renewed or "acquired" a blind it was in a set location because the clerk issued a license for that spot. Blinds with legs is a recent thing as before it was very easy to prove someone was moving in to your spot so most people were well behaved. Now the state has decided in their infinite wisdom to allow the blinds to be renewed online without ensuring they are in the same location at the time of issuance. Sure, you are supposed to sign that you are renewing the license and it is implied that the blind has not moved but DGIF selectively not enforcing that at the time of issuance people are putting blinds anywhere they "think" is open. I had one DGIF official say, and I quote "what's wrong with that?" Problem is that these spots are NOT open because somebody is just getting around to replacing a blind taken out by the ice. Next thing ya know we got blinds on top of each other and DGIF doesn't have a clue as to who is in the right because they don't have the records and manpower to correct these conflicts they have set up, nor do they care very much as they have a "that's your problem" attitude.

Basically the situation is FUBAR. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, the scariest thing a hunter can hear is "Hi, I am from DGIF and I am here to help." PLEASE STOP HELPING!

Great explanation. Had a buddy get a new blind in back bay and had the exact thing happen. Someone tried to swing in and put a blind in his spot before he got out there and rebuilt the thing. With some words exchanged and a meeting or two the other guy finally pulled out once legal actions where almost taken. Its a zoo and I dont hunt there much but its a shame cause its a cool place and could hold alot of ducks and have some great duck hunting but its been mismanaged and overhunted. There are birds to be killed and some guys do well out there but its not where it could be. Old hunters used to tell me of the 10,000 widgeon that stayed there every winter on top of all the other birds that were out there.

 

[gooosehunter]

That is the fourth conflict over blind locations. It just goes to show that the old system worked just fine.