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Indaswamp said:
Gore's $15 Trillion Dollar 'Fossil Fuel Eradication Plan'

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-fools-errand-al-gores-15-trillion-carbon-tax/article/2622479

Pick up the pipe and take another hit....It is NOT going to happen. CO2 emissions will continue. All the flailing of arms and shouting from eco-terrorists aside.
Those concerned with Global Warning are hardly fools, Inda. Those more concerned with their partisan position than the health of the planet are fools. Even if such determinations eventually are decided to be wrong, being cautious, especially for the layman with little scientific background, is hardly cause to label them a fool. But I guess you are much more aware of the complexities and knowledge than the VAST majority of global scientists. You deserve a throne, Inda, having deduced this via osmosis through your ass. May we call you God?
 

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Glimmerjim said:
Indaswamp said:
Gore's $15 Trillion Dollar 'Fossil Fuel Eradication Plan'

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-fools-errand-al-gores-15-trillion-carbon-tax/article/2622479

Pick up the pipe and take another hit....It is NOT going to happen. CO2 emissions will continue. All the flailing of arms and shouting from eco-terrorists aside.
Those concerned with Global Warning are hardly fools, Inda. Those more concerned with their partisan position than the health of the planet are fools. Even if such determinations eventually are decided to be wrong, being cautious, especially for the layman with little scientific background, is hardly cause to label them a fool. But I guess you are much more aware of the complexities and knowledge than the VAST majority of global scientists. You deserve a throne, Inda, having deduced this via osmosis through your ass. May we call you God?
I was referring to Al Gore's $15 Trillion dollar 'Fossil Fuel Eradication Plan' Jim.

If that is what Al Gore believes is 'necessary' to stop CO2 levels from rising (which I do not believe are detrimental to the planet); He needs another hit on a bong. It ain't gonna happen. China and the undeveloped countries will ensure that.
 

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Indaswamp said:
Glimmerjim said:
Indaswamp said:
Gore's $15 Trillion Dollar 'Fossil Fuel Eradication Plan'

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-fools-errand-al-gores-15-trillion-carbon-tax/article/2622479

Pick up the pipe and take another hit....It is NOT going to happen. CO2 emissions will continue. All the flailing of arms and shouting from eco-terrorists aside.
Those concerned with Global Warning are hardly fools, Inda. Those more concerned with their partisan position than the health of the planet are fools. Even if such determinations eventually are decided to be wrong, being cautious, especially for the layman with little scientific background, is hardly cause to label them a fool. But I guess you are much more aware of the complexities and knowledge than the VAST majority of global scientists. You deserve a throne, Inda, having deduced this via osmosis through your ass. May we call you God?
I was referring to Al Gore's $15 Trillion dollar 'Fossil Fuel Eradication Plan' Jim.

If that is what Al Gore believes is 'necessary' to stop CO2 levels from rising (which I do not believe are detrimental to the planet); He needs another hit on a bong. It ain't gonna happen. China and the undeveloped countries will ensure that.
The history of the US since our attainment as a World Power has been that of leaders, Inda. I believe that our most important contribution to the world has been that of being a role model, and assisting others to follow our leads. Change will never happen if we wait for global agreement. Our only chance of success in this endeavor is doing the best we can and disseminating information.
As for the $15 Trillion dollare plan, you are taking a partisan stance on the estimated costs, completely ignoring the alternative energy booms to employment, usage of US materials, etc. Remember, you have to watch figures as they are quite easily manipulated.
And sorry for the smart ass remarks earlier . :oops:
 

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Glimmerjim said:
Indaswamp said:
Glimmerjim said:
Indaswamp said:
Gore's $15 Trillion Dollar 'Fossil Fuel Eradication Plan'

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a-fools-errand-al-gores-15-trillion-carbon-tax/article/2622479

Pick up the pipe and take another hit....It is NOT going to happen. CO2 emissions will continue. All the flailing of arms and shouting from eco-terrorists aside.
Those concerned with Global Warning are hardly fools, Inda. Those more concerned with their partisan position than the health of the planet are fools. Even if such determinations eventually are decided to be wrong, being cautious, especially for the layman with little scientific background, is hardly cause to label them a fool. But I guess you are much more aware of the complexities and knowledge than the VAST majority of global scientists. You deserve a throne, Inda, having deduced this via osmosis through your ass. May we call you God?
I was referring to Al Gore's $15 Trillion dollar 'Fossil Fuel Eradication Plan' Jim.

If that is what Al Gore believes is 'necessary' to stop CO2 levels from rising (which I do not believe are detrimental to the planet); He needs another hit on a bong. It ain't gonna happen. China and the undeveloped countries will ensure that.
The history of the US since our attainment as a World Power has been that of leaders, Inda. I believe that our most important contribution to the world has been that of being a role model, and assisting others to follow our leads. Change will never happen if we wait for global agreement. Our only chance of success in this endeavor is doing the best we can and disseminating information.
As for the $15 Trillion dollare plan, you are taking a partisan stance on the estimated costs, completely ignoring the alternative energy booms to employment, usage of US materials, etc. Remember, you have to watch figures as they are quite easily manipulated.
And sorry for the smart ass remarks earlier . :oops:
I'll defer to spinnerman, he has put numerous words to this topic. $15 trillion ain't gonna happen.

And its a different topic, but I personally do not believe it NEEDS to happen. You know the adage-'Beware of Prophets seeking Profits....'
 

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As for the $15 Trillion dollare plan, you are taking a partisan stance on the estimated costs, completely ignoring the alternative energy booms to employment, usage of US materials, etc. Remember, you have to watch figures as they are quite easily manipulated.
It does NOT work that way. This is not the result of advancement in technology that drives the world to drop the old technology and adapt the new technology freely because it provides better value as they define it.

This is the exact opposite of that economically. It is forcing people to spend more money to get the same or less value :fingerhead: :fingerhead: :fingerhead:

Did the government force you to get a smart phone? Did they force anyone to adopt fracking?

Why would it be U.S. materials? Why not Korean? It seems like they are the only country that can build a nuclear power plant efficiently any more. That is pure fantasy and wishful thinking and why would the rest of the world adopt something if it was good for us. I'm sure China would jump right on that :lol3:

It really is a version of the broken windows fallacy.

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/08/broken-window-fallacy.asp

The government FORCES the destruction of all the economically best technology and then magically we are all wealthier. :no:

It is a huge waste of resources.

The ONLY argument is that the cost is a necessary expense. It is never that it is good for the economy. If it were, it would not require mandates. People would adopt it freely.

Given the massive cost and the risk and improbability of success, I cannot see how it is justified with current technology and current reality. I am literally working to change that. One little person among a vast array of engineers working on the massive problem. Me personally, it is more about local environmental issues. Urban air quality, coal mining, and now the massive waste of land and resources for the intermittent power that is being subsidized, but that is political and not technical.
 

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Given it was PROVEN the frauds fudge and simply fabricated the data to get the outcome desired, you have to really want to believe to,,,well,,, believe. Which is why so many call it the Church of Global Warming. :bow: :bow: :bow:

So, it seems like the right time and place for......


Good luck getting this out of your head for the rest of the day. :tongue:
 

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Since Liberals hate so-called capitalism, I'm kinda confused by their love of crony capitalism. The TRUTH behind Global Climate Change is the fact it's all about the money!

When these Rich Government Crony's start acting like they actually care about Climate Change instead of trying to "FORCE" Their views upon the 99%ers I might listen to what they are saying. Till then, it's just more fake news!
 

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cartervj said:
Since Liberals hate so-called capitalism, I'm kinda confused by their love of crony capitalism. The TRUTH behind Global Climate Change is the fact it's all about the money!
And indirectly about money as they attempt to edge their way into unified Global leadership roles.
 

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Capitalism is free enterprise where individuals make choices. If your business offers the best value, you win. Think of Apple, Toyota and Jack Daniels.

Crony capitalism is about using government to either fleece the taxpayers directly or by restricting the taxpayers' choices. Most recent example is Husseincare. Of course, the establishment politicians expect payment for these services in campaign contributions, insider trading secrets for which they are immune from prosecution or other compensation like Cankle and Hussein's crazy speaking fees.

Why the useful idiots do not see the fraud and corruption must be that the D casts a big shadow. :rolleyes: Gosh, I wish it were more complex than that. :no:

The only thing these two have in common is the term capitalism, and the second is actually mislabeled. :fingerpt:
 

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Capitalism is free enterprise where individuals make choices. If your business offers the best value, you win. Think of Apple, Toyota and Jack Daniels.
That really is more free markets. Capitalism and free markets should not be synonymous as we use them.

The complete lack of understanding of what capital is and how completely essential it is to advancing a society beyond the most primitive state is the sad state of our education system.

Labor in its purest form does not include the intellectual capital that results from learning skills.
 

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I see your point. I was more focused on what happens when you add the word Crony to it. :sad:
It was the common language and clearly understood by any person. I just find it a very poor use of words. Largely intended to never ever use the phrase free markets as part of the anti-freedom movements of all kind must.

Capitalism, the economic advancement of society is what every human being, every nation, ever society, does. The more industrious and frugal a society is, the more rapidly they advance. The less then the less.

You want to produce more as a result of the same input of labor, you must increase the capital. That really is all capitalism is.

The division of labor a related concept is the specialization that improves economic efficiency. It however is a very double edged sword. One is psychological which is the ability to look at labor as solely a commodity and forget that these are people with lives. The other is practical. When you are specialized and all you do is work at one thing your entire life whether that is what we refer to as professionals or the laboring poor, there is no necessity to learn, really learn and understand, those things outside of your specialty. The traditional family farmer, shop keeper, etc. had to have a vast array of knowledge and skills and interact with a vast array of people and his interest were broad and diverse. A doctor, a lawyer, a PhD nuclear engineer, really need only know very little and can interact with very few and today usually does.

From Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations
In the progress of the division of labour, the employment of the far greater part of those who live by labour, that is, of the great body of the people, comes to be confined to a few very simple operations; frequently to one or two. But the understandings of the greater part of men are necessarily formed by their ordinary employments. The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations, of which the effects, too, are perhaps always the same, or very nearly the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding, or to exercise his invention, in finding out expedients for removing difficulties which never occur. He naturally loses, therefore, the habit of such exertion, and generally becomes as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become. The torpor of his mind renders him not only incapable of relishing or bearing a part in any rational conversation, but of conceiving any generous, noble, or tender sentiment, and consequently of forming any just judgment concerning many even of the ordinary duties of private life. Of the great and extensive interests of his country he is altogether incapable of judging; and unless very particular pains have been taken to render him otherwise, he is equally incapable of defending his country in war. The uniformity of his stationary life naturally corrupts the courage of his mind, and makes him regard, with abhorrence, the irregular, uncertain, and adventurous life of a soldier. It corrupts even the activity of his body, and renders him incapable of exerting his strength with vigour and perseverance in any other employment, than that to which he has been bred. His dexterity at his own particular trade seems, in this manner, to be acquired at the expense of his intellectual, social, and martial virtues. But in every improved and civilized society, this is the state into which the labouring poor, that is, the great body of the people, must necessarily fall, unless government takes some pains to prevent it.
Granted everyone thinks they are the enlightened few with a great depth of knowledge and ability to lead the nation, but in reality most are so incredibly limited in their experiences.

And this is why education particularly in places like Obamaville are so incredibly important. They don't even have a useful skill in most cases. The idle poor.
 

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SpinnerMan said:
Rat Creek said:
I see your point. I was more focused on what happens when you add the word Crony to it. :sad:
It was the common language and clearly understood by any person. I just find it a very poor use of words. Largely intended to never ever use the phrase free markets as part of the anti-freedom movements of all kind must.

Capitalism, the economic advancement of society is what every human being, every nation, ever society, does. The more industrious and frugal a society is, the more rapidly they advance. The less then the less.

You want to produce more as a result of the same input of labor, you must increase the capital. That really is all capitalism is.

The division of labor a related concept is the specialization that improves economic efficiency. It however is a very double edged sword. One is psychological which is the ability to look at labor as solely a commodity and forget that these are people with lives. The other is practical. When you are specialized and all you do is work at one thing your entire life whether that is what we refer to as professionals or the laboring poor, there is no necessity to learn, really learn and understand, those things outside of your specialty. The traditional family farmer, shop keeper, etc. had to have a vast array of knowledge and skills and interact with a vast array of people and his interest were broad and diverse. A doctor, a lawyer, a PhD nuclear engineer, really need only know very little and can interact with very few and today usually does.

From Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations
In the progress of the division of labour, the employment of the far greater part of those who live by labour, that is, of the great body of the people, comes to be confined to a few very simple operations; frequently to one or two. But the understandings of the greater part of men are necessarily formed by their ordinary employments. The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations, of which the effects, too, are perhaps always the same, or very nearly the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding, or to exercise his invention, in finding out expedients for removing difficulties which never occur. He naturally loses, therefore, the habit of such exertion, and generally becomes as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become. The torpor of his mind renders him not only incapable of relishing or bearing a part in any rational conversation, but of conceiving any generous, noble, or tender sentiment, and consequently of forming any just judgment concerning many even of the ordinary duties of private life. Of the great and extensive interests of his country he is altogether incapable of judging; and unless very particular pains have been taken to render him otherwise, he is equally incapable of defending his country in war. The uniformity of his stationary life naturally corrupts the courage of his mind, and makes him regard, with abhorrence, the irregular, uncertain, and adventurous life of a soldier. It corrupts even the activity of his body, and renders him incapable of exerting his strength with vigour and perseverance in any other employment, than that to which he has been bred. His dexterity at his own particular trade seems, in this manner, to be acquired at the expense of his intellectual, social, and martial virtues. But in every improved and civilized society, this is the state into which the labouring poor, that is, the great body of the people, must necessarily fall, unless government takes some pains to prevent it.
Granted everyone thinks they are the enlightened few with a great depth of knowledge and ability to lead the nation, but in reality most are so incredibly limited in their experiences.

And this is why education particularly in places like Obamaville are so incredibly important. They don't even have a useful skill in most cases. The idle poor.
So get those R's in there and change it, Spin! What? Oh, I know they want no part of it. It was just a joke. They couldn't fix a toothbrush they picked up upside down.
 

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Glimmerjim said:
SpinnerMan said:
Rat Creek said:
I see your point. I was more focused on what happens when you add the word Crony to it. :sad:
It was the common language and clearly understood by any person. I just find it a very poor use of words. Largely intended to never ever use the phrase free markets as part of the anti-freedom movements of all kind must.

Capitalism, the economic advancement of society is what every human being, every nation, ever society, does. The more industrious and frugal a society is, the more rapidly they advance. The less then the less.

You want to produce more as a result of the same input of labor, you must increase the capital. That really is all capitalism is.

The division of labor a related concept is the specialization that improves economic efficiency. It however is a very double edged sword. One is psychological which is the ability to look at labor as solely a commodity and forget that these are people with lives. The other is practical. When you are specialized and all you do is work at one thing your entire life whether that is what we refer to as professionals or the laboring poor, there is no necessity to learn, really learn and understand, those things outside of your specialty. The traditional family farmer, shop keeper, etc. had to have a vast array of knowledge and skills and interact with a vast array of people and his interest were broad and diverse. A doctor, a lawyer, a PhD nuclear engineer, really need only know very little and can interact with very few and today usually does.

From Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations
In the progress of the division of labour, the employment of the far greater part of those who live by labour, that is, of the great body of the people, comes to be confined to a few very simple operations; frequently to one or two. But the understandings of the greater part of men are necessarily formed by their ordinary employments. The man whose whole life is spent in performing a few simple operations, of which the effects, too, are perhaps always the same, or very nearly the same, has no occasion to exert his understanding, or to exercise his invention, in finding out expedients for removing difficulties which never occur. He naturally loses, therefore, the habit of such exertion, and generally becomes as stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become. The torpor of his mind renders him not only incapable of relishing or bearing a part in any rational conversation, but of conceiving any generous, noble, or tender sentiment, and consequently of forming any just judgment concerning many even of the ordinary duties of private life. Of the great and extensive interests of his country he is altogether incapable of judging; and unless very particular pains have been taken to render him otherwise, he is equally incapable of defending his country in war. The uniformity of his stationary life naturally corrupts the courage of his mind, and makes him regard, with abhorrence, the irregular, uncertain, and adventurous life of a soldier. It corrupts even the activity of his body, and renders him incapable of exerting his strength with vigour and perseverance in any other employment, than that to which he has been bred. His dexterity at his own particular trade seems, in this manner, to be acquired at the expense of his intellectual, social, and martial virtues. But in every improved and civilized society, this is the state into which the labouring poor, that is, the great body of the people, must necessarily fall, unless government takes some pains to prevent it.
Granted everyone thinks they are the enlightened few with a great depth of knowledge and ability to lead the nation, but in reality most are so incredibly limited in their experiences.

And this is why education particularly in places like Obamaville are so incredibly important. They don't even have a useful skill in most cases. The idle poor.
So get those R's in there and change it, Spin! What? Oh, I know they want no part of it. It was just a joke. They couldn't fix a toothbrush they picked up upside down.
Neither the D's nor R's will do anything but help themselves. Politicians, career politicians will always put their careers first and that means don't fix things. You need to think outside the Democrat box. Politicians have earned their horrible reputation.

There are exception and that is because they support specific policies. All you see is the power struggle. The R's versus D's and not what works and what fails and why it does. No learning from experience. Just the political circle jerk that fleeces the people.

For society to advance it is very simple, not easy, but simple. Society must be dominated by people that are industrious, frugal, and moral.

The D's and R's are 180 degrees opposite. Was Obama's budgets frugal and moral. Not even close. My program just got $2M extra as a result of the recent continuing resolution or whatever they called it that the R's just passed. They just throw money away without a thought to solve their political problems as they see them. It is not rational focus on achieving anything but getting reelected. The R's are horrible. The D's are even worse. But you pay, not them.
 

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So get those R's in there and change it
Your partisanship has blinded you. You see Ds and Rs and fail to see the Rs are not a united, mono-think group. It is establishment politicians against the outsiders. Those outsiders are Tea Party conservatives and Trump. About 50% of the Republicans are part of the problem, along with 95% of the Democrats. That is the battle. :fingerhead:

The establishment with their media just keep ginning up fake news and ignoring real news. They know that most are unsophisticated consumers of news and will just buy the latest line. What is the latest? Crisis of credibility, or something like that. Every hack news outlet is repeating it, along with Schummer and the other hacks. They are well coordinated. :mad:
 

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Rat Creek said:
Glimmerjim said:
So get those R's in there and change it
Your partisanship has blinded you. You see Ds and Rs and fail to see the Rs are not a united, mono-think group. It is establishment politicians against the outsiders. Those outsiders are Tea Party conservatives and Trump. About 50% of the Republicans are part of the problem, along with 95% of the Democrats. That is the battle. :fingerhead:

The establishment with their media just keep ginning up fake news and ignoring real news. They know that most are unsophisticated consumers of news and will just buy the latest line. What is the latest? Crisis of credibility, or something like that. Every hack news outlet is repeating it, along with Schummer and the other hacks. They are well coordinated. :mad:
Yet your constant, wearying, endlessly repetitive usage of words like "useful idiots" and "libtards" does not reflect a partisan position? You might look in the mirror before attempting to diagnose others, Rat. You're the worst at it.
 

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Glimmerjim said:
Rat Creek said:
Glimmerjim said:
So get those R's in there and change it
Your partisanship has blinded you. You see Ds and Rs and fail to see the Rs are not a united, mono-think group. It is establishment politicians against the outsiders. Those outsiders are Tea Party conservatives and Trump. About 50% of the Republicans are part of the problem, along with 95% of the Democrats. That is the battle. :fingerhead:

The establishment with their media just keep ginning up fake news and ignoring real news. They know that most are unsophisticated consumers of news and will just buy the latest line. What is the latest? Crisis of credibility, or something like that. Every hack news outlet is repeating it, along with Schummer and the other hacks. They are well coordinated. :mad:
Yet your constant, wearying, endlessly repetitive usage of words like "useful idiots" and "libtards" does not reflect a partisan position? You might look in the mirror before attempting to diagnose others, Rat. You're the worst at it.
Partisan as in party. Don't you understand that you can be independent and hate them both? It is the wise choice.

After all there are plenty of useful idiots that blindly support the D or the R and think no deeper.

Only 1 can be right, but both can be wrong and sadly they normally are.
 

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Yet your constant, wearying, endlessly repetitive usage of words like "useful idiots" and "libtards" does not reflect a partisan position?
You must have me confused with another alt-right, hate monger, bitter clinging, deplorable. I never use the term libtard. :hi:
 
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