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Without looking at the link I'll conced that plenty of tax dollars are wasted.

That said, so are lot of corporate dollars. For the most part that's their prerogative as private enterprise, but I do have a bone to pick privately owned public utiliities (electric and gas) that are granted monopoly operating status (and have captive customers) and then whine about how they're just another business trying to make it in the dog-eat-dog world while screwing ratepayers, stymying renewable energy projects, and earing guaranteed profits to the detriment of us and our children.

At least government wasters are subject to the General Accounting Office and Inspector General for accountability. For private utilities no one (Public Utilities Commissions that is) really looks into their operations very deeply for fear of being labeled Socialist by the free market nimrods.

Face it. Human nature and politics can be a bitch.
 

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Our Gov't officials should be held accountable for their crimes the same way American citizens are held accountable for theirs.
For some stupid reason, they can simply resign and go on with their crooked little lives.

Carl Rove who ?
Alberto Gonzales who?
George Bush who ?
...and the list goes on and on....... :mad:
 

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duckbuster06 said:
What crime has George Bush committed?
Are you serious ?!?!?

Here's your sign :
 

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Im not sure anything he did was prosecutable, but its got to be criminal to be that dumb.
 

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Im not sure anything he did was prosecutable, but its got to be criminal to be that dumb.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ,,,, :rofl:

It should be a crime to be in charge of Nuclear weapons and not be able to pronounce the word. :rolleyes:
 

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"You never know what your history is going to be like until long after you're gone." (Bush in Washington, D.C., May 5, 2006)
 

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i think he is guilty of perjury, but what politician isnt. and dudejcb read the link. it goes in depth about corporate tax breaks and what not. also are you implying that america is a private business?
 

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I thought it was Nuc-ya-ler... :rofl:

Add "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" and "Crimes Against Humanity" to "Crimes Against the Constitution"....
 

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As far as corporate tax breaks goes, have anbody ever been hired by a poor person? Has anybody ever been hired for a good job by a struggling company that is being taxed to death? I owned a business. I had to make it a part time job because the goverment taxed the hella outta me. Now its all under the table and they get none of my money. But I do pay 31% tax on my wages I make at my regular job. Do you actually think the big companies are going to take a loss when taxes go up? NO. They pass all those increases right on to us, the consumer. and we are the ones that pay inflated bills. Just look at your phone bill. They pass taxes right off on you and tell you they are doing it. Higher taxes on big business is stupid.
 

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are you implying that america is a private business?
Perhaps, but that comment wasn't meant that way, and to the contrary I was impying that government agencies at least have some possible oversight mechanisms in place through watchdog agencies and NGO watchdog groups, whereas private enterprise has much more opportunity to run amock without oversight except in rare "show" cases like Enron. (I say show case because a lot of other utitlities did similar things on a less grand scale, and were largely overlooked as everyone focussed on Enron's scalp.)

The "Board of Director's club" and "Executive Management club" in corporate America pretty much share a revolving door from one corporation to another, and are one in the same. They mostly appear more interested in their personal compensation and portfolios than in shareholder, employee, or even America's welfare. they have a personal interest in protecting the salaries of their cohorts so that their own compensation packages won't be likewise scrutinized. but that's just one aspect of it.

Now to the America as a business idea. The new lingo (maybe not so new) and new world power is the "corpratocracy," and it extends well beyond borders and exterts more power than is generally understood. Eisenhower warned against the military-industrial complex long ago. What do you think Halliburton-Cheney, Weinberger-Regan-Bechtel, Bush-oil, and other very close political-governmental-business-frienship ties are about? Think, no-bid contracts, access to natural resources, World Bank, International Monetary Fund, Panama, Guatemala, Saudi Arabia, Iraq...
 

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Just to let you know, one of my wife's clients is haliburton. They get the no bid contracts because they are the only company in the world big enough to rebuild on the scale required. Oh and by the way, haliburton has a ceiling to the profit they can make from those contracts. The good ole USA only let's them make 1.5% profit. that's it. one point five percent.
 

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don taylor said:
Just to let you know, one of my wife's clients is haliburton. They get the no bid contracts because they are the only company in the world big enough to rebuild on the scale required. Oh and by the way, haliburton has a ceiling to the profit they can make from those contracts. The good ole USA only let's them make 1.5% profit. that's it. one point five percent[/u].


ON a multi-billion dollar contract, 1.5% is alot. And why couldn't several companies do the work of rebuilding? that would promote competition and better, faster work would be the outcome. Haliburton is all for Cheney. :no:
 

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A bid is awarded on the ability to complete a job. If you can't complete a job you can't bid on it. Well you can but you will just get a kind letter saying sorry your not able to complete the job. They have tried to get a co-op of companies together and when stuff goes wrong their is no accountability. You can't just have 1,000 different companies working at the same time on one project. Communication becomes impossible. How do you mantain quality control when every company has different standards? Then you get into the chief/ indian ratio. You add so much pork to a job that they can't underbid streamlined halliburton. It doesn't seem fair but that's the way it works.
 

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Basically what I'm getting is your statement is based on assumptions. Regardless of whether I like George Bush or not, I try to find a foundation for my argument rather than post a political cartoon and make fun of his speech :huh: If you find some factual evidence of him committing a crime as president, then I'll back down :thumbsup:
 

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Don T,

Have you been drinking the Koolaid? I.5 % is mighty slim, but assuming you're right, I suppose there might other ways to make it up... $100 can a coke maybe. buck fifty for a load of laundry. the possibilities are endless.

I know the reason they gave was cus Halliburton was the only one who could pull it off. My question: what exactly are they pulling off? What if we took that money and paid Iraqi's to do the work under our supervision so they might have some vested interest in it? I'm sure that was THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY it could be done. (Gotta go write my letter to Santa... but first.)

I'm glad your wife has a wealthy client that can afford to pay thier bills. Thank you taxpayers.

Has anyone been out in the American west lately. Wyoming, Colorado, Utah. You can see Halliburton in action all over the place out there too... just cuz they're big enough to pull it off I suppose... or is Team Cheney just darn lucky?
 
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