[quackerattacker]

A special archery only elk season was opened in Skagit County, Washington, to help keep elk out of residential and farm areas. Word got out that a herd of elk was trapped in a fenced farm pasture and soon a dozen or so bow hunters had them surrounded. Highway 20 bordered the area and passersby stopped, watched, and videotaped the scene. At least seven elk were killed.

The state wildlife agency quickly closed the special season. No citations were issued as no laws were broken. This is what an ethics violation looks like fellas...

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Bow-hunters-shoot-elk-in-Wash-pasture-80308087.html

 

[Papachessie]

I wonder how many ran off with arrows in their ***. I'm sure the elk weren't just standing still at 20 yards for a clean shot. :no:

 

[ohsay]

Says 'dozens' of arrows were fired. With only seven down, I'd say quite a few. It took some of the guys 3-4 arrows to kill one. Surely wasn't very sporting, and this kind of thing is why hunters get a bad name. The people that saw that, and saw the news report, are going to be talking about it for ages.

 

[TEAM WEBFOOTPOSSE]

how is this any different than some of the hunting shows we watch on tv where the big bad sponsored deer hunters hunt on game farms and act like they did something spectacular when really the deer they are shooting cant get over the fences :no:

 

[steelslinger]

O.K. let me get this straight. They wanted to thin out the herd and when this was accomplished, someone cried foul. This was not a hunt where ethics was even a factor. The goal was to thin the herd and they did. I don't see the any difference in this and the conservation season on snows. Ungodly limits, no shell # restriction, electronic calls, magazine tube extensions, etc. How many snows end up flying off to die because a group of 4 people throw up to 24+ shells at them as they are crossing the decoys. This is done numerous times and no foul is cried. The problem with this elk hunt was publicity. You want the numbers lowered and you got lower numbers. I know that someone is going to say that the snow population is out of control and this has to happen. I agree 100%, but if the elk herd is overpopulated, then it also has to happen to them.

 

[daffy...]

you know whats unethical: BOW HUNTING!!!

 

[ohsay]

Well snows are so out of control they're destroying their own habitat. We're trying to save them from themselves (which is a whole different debate). This was a relatively small herd that just needed to be relocated. None of them theoretically had to be killed to accomplish that. They made the special season so the elk would simply feel the hunting pressure and move to higher ground.

And while jumping snows is probably the closest thing I can think of, and no one cares if you do it, the snows aren't usually trapped by fences. You actually have to sneak up on them, which can take a looong time, and patience and skill are often required. These guys were basically herding trapped animals to shoot them. Like I said, not very sporting.

The coyotes/wolves will eat well off those crippled elk, that's for sure.

 

[duckman27]

I'd say herd them up like that and then fence them off and take a mini gun to them it gets rid of the over population issue and you don't have to worry about them suffering if your sending 5000 rounds a minute at them. Unethical yeah but it solves the problem.

 

[berettaguy17]

you know whats unethical: BOW HUNTING!!!

Bow hunting itself isnt unethical theres just a lot of bowhunters that are unethical

 

[waterfowler20]

you know whats unethical: BOW HUNTING!!!

Bow hunting itself isnt unethical theres just a lot of bowhunters that are unethical

:ditto:

 

[daffy...]

you know whats unethical: BOW HUNTING!!!

Bow hunting itself isnt unethical theres just a lot of bowhunters that are unethical

give me a break. ever bow hunted? arrows paths are interferd sooo easily. without a bulls-eye the shot is not lethal. leaving the animal crippled or living the rest of its life with a projectile lodged in its muscle... ever pulled a muscle? imagine having a arrow head in your thigh and you were forced to run to aviod being capture (in the deer sence eatten by predator)

atleast when my firearm misses its intended target the wound is lethal enough to kill and for me to find the animal.

 

[Papachessie]

you know whats unethical: BOW HUNTING!!!

Hunters are the most hypocritical bunch in the world (except for maybe polititions). All hunting is unethical if you really think about it. If you were doing it just for the food, you would pen raise the animals and kill them with a quick whack to the head. Instead, we kill them in a sporting manor for our own enjoyment. It doesn't matter what kind of hunting it is, if you look at it realistically, animals are going to get wounded and get away to survive crippled or die slowly. Everyone on this forum cripples birds occasionally, I don't care how ethical you think you are. If you say you never cripple one, your lying or you don't hunt. We all (at least most of us) try to limit the shot to a high percentage range, which varies greatly from one hunter to another and someone always thinks their way is right and the other guys is wrong. Killing is killing. We all enjoy it or we wouldn't hunt. The more challenging the hunt, the more we enjoy the kill. That's why we waterfowl hunt, the difficulty. People bowhunt for the same reason. Don't be a hypocrite.

 

[berettaguy17]

yeah i bow hunt and i only take good clean shots and i tune m bow to have the best accuracy i can get with my arrows, i took this one down this year, it went less than 20 yards before it piled up. and i know plenty of people who have wounded deer with guns or lost deer. if you ask me there are a lot more idiots that are out there during gun season

 

[TEAM WEBFOOTPOSSE]

We all (at least most of us) try to limit the shot to a high percentage range

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werent you the same guy talking about shooting canadas at 70 yards on the shot size topic

 

[Papachessie]

atleast when my firearm misses its intended target the wound is lethal enough to kill and for me to find the animal.

Bullsh!t, you can't tell me you've never lost an animal. Even if you haven't, you will if you continue to hunt.

 

[daffy...]

atleast when my firearm misses its intended target the wound is lethal enough to kill and for me to find the animal.

Bullsh!t, you can't tell me you've never lost an animal. Even if you haven't, you will if you continue to hunt.

yeah i lost animals. when i was bow hunting.

and im native american. i kill to eat and keep animals at controlable numbers but thats a hole different can of worms

 

[berettaguy17]

just becuase you were an unethical bow hunter doesnt mean everyone is, maybe people should try harder to be more accurate and take better shots to show appreciation to the animal they are trying to kill instead of just shooting it somewhere and hoping to find it. i know of plenty of people who have lost deer with guns too. and i have seen plenty of deer that were shot with a gun and found weeks later after infection. i dont know about where you are from but around here when it is gun season you can sit outside and just listen to the countless shots people take with guns, i know people who go out the day after gun season and find dozens of wounded or dead deer

 

[daffy...]

and actually while im venting id like to add that i believe your guys icons are unethical. nice shot but seriously? no respect for your passion for ducks/nature? thats like cutting the d!cks off your enemy and putting it in their mouths, isnt killing them humiliating enough? why would you disrespect your passion/ disrepect nature in such a way?

 

[berettaguy17]

your right that is unethical too. it is wrong to to that stuff but then thats like saying we shouldnt take pictures of any game we kill or we shouldnt mount animals or even go fishing while im at it. why do you hunt if your so worried about certain ethics anyways

 

[Papachessie]

We all (at least most of us) try to limit the shot to a high percentage range

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werent you the same guy talking about shooting canadas at 70 yards on the shot size topic

Yes I was, and with the shot size and choke/gun I use, it's a high percentage shot. If you don't agree, tough. That's the point I'm trying to make. Some people think their way is the only way. That's B.S. Hunt the way you want. Like I said in the shot size thread, I regret saying that I shoot geese that far only because people who don't have the ability, or don't want to do it, think it's unethical, and want to start a d!ck measuring contest over it. I don't think most people can kill geese at that range, but I know a few who can at a very high percentage. Is pass shooting geese unethical? How about jump shooting? I'm sure you think so. I gave up waterfowling for a couple years because I got tired of trying to compete with guys who had endless amounts of money and time to put into a setup and scouting to get the birds within flyswatter range. Well, I decided I enjoy killing birds too much to give it up. If I have to kill 'em at longer ranges because I don't have a trailer full of full bodies and don't have permission on the X, then that's what I'll do. If you don't like it, tough sh!t. I bowhunt too, do you have a problem with that too? My effective range with a bow is only about 28 yards and I don't shoot past that. I'm not interested in your opinion of whether I'm ethical or not. I don't hunt beside a highway where people who don't hunt can stop and watch me kill the animals they like to feed. That's the biggest problem we as hunters face, the bad publicity some idiots get. Not whether I hunt the way you hunt.