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Warning: Long Read! Hello to all. My name's Jon. If you're anything like me, you have been suffering the seasonal withdrawals that accompany February and March. If I can't duck hunt, talking about it and planning for future seasons is the next best thing. I am considering a move to North Carolina, and would like to find a tract to buy for duck hunting purposes. I don't think I will be very successful in this endeavor without local help and knowledge. After reading over the last ten years worth of relevant postings on this forum, I've come to the conclusion that there are several individuals on here that could be very helpful in my search. I will provide an introduction of myself/my hunting background below. Based on what I have read here, I think (hope) most of the serious and knowledgeable posters will be patient enough to read it in order to understand my intentions.

I have been waterfowl hunting for the last fifteen years. I am originally from the east coast, around the Delmarva region, and grew up as a deer hunter. I attended college in eastern Tennessee. One semester, I was walking in to archery hunt deer on a public area where I had been experiencing some success that fall. When I rounded a bend, suddenly I saw that the area was now flooded, and there were guys in camo with decoy spreads out. A gentleman politely informed me that since waterfowl season had arrived, the area was closed to deer hunting. I apologized profusely and left, after offering the conclusion that I guess I would have to learn how to duck hunt. That was pretty much the end of any hope I ever had at mental sanity or financial prosperity.

Over the next two seasons, I learned to hunt waterfowl on the surrounding rivers of eastern Tennessee, which is not exactly a duck mecca. The second season, I bought a dog, who became my best friend and hunting partner for the next thirteen years. I then discovered Arkansas, made friends there, and spent the next several seasons in Stuttgart, hunting mostly public ground, being fortunate to see more birds than I knew existed. As public hunting grew more competitive there, as it has nationwide, it began to take away some enjoyable aspects of the sport. I love competition in life, but not at 4:00 AM. I decided to pursue buying my own place to enjoy duck hunting.

After looking at several areas, and visiting a lot of prospective properties, I bought a farm in western Tennessee. Although I still lived on the east side of the state, it was close enough to drive every other week to manage my property. For the next six years, I enjoyed hunting my farm and the surrounding areas with friends I made. Birds were plentiful at times, scarce at others, but the hunting was always enjoyable- I would rather kill a few birds in peace than see a bunch in the middle of a public ground war zone. I enjoyed my time in the Mississippi Flyway, and will likely always return there to hunt and visit friends. I realize the Atlantic Flyway is a much different ballgame.

My parents live on the east coast (dad just retired to the Outer Banks), and I would like to be closer to them geographically to spend more time with them, as they are getting up in years. I was unexpectedly offered a generous sum for my farm last year and sold it, with my goal being to move closer to my parents. For now, I still live and work in eastern Tennessee, but am hoping to move to eastern NC once I can locate a suitable place.

I learned a lot through purchasing my last farm. I did some things right, and I did a bunch of things wrong. After making good duck hunting contacts in the area subsequent to purchasing it, the one thought I kept having was “if only I had known these people before I bought the place.” Chances are, I could have gotten a much better set up with all of the insider knowledge they possessed.

I'm trying to learn from that mistake, and do things better this time around. Without physically being in the area to meet people, this is one attempt I'm making to gather sage advice. It might be difficult to have some conversations without the ability to PM, but hopefully I can acquire that in time.

What am I looking for?
  • a property that has an area that will perk, so I can eventually have a modest residence there
  • a property that can support at least two hunting locations of different varieties (for instance, a swamp and an impoundment, or waterfront and a bottom, etc etc)
  • something within two hours maximum driving time of Manteo
  • a property I can do most of the management on myself (I own tractor and implements)
  • Ducks. I do most hunting by myself, and shooting a few birds per hunt is fine, hopefully a limit or two here and there on a good weather day. I hope I have appropriate expectations for the change of flyway.
  • A place to put a deer stand or two to enjoy with Dad.
  • Looking to spend 250K or under so as to not need a mortgage, with interest rising and an unstable economy. I'm just a single guy that works an outdoor job for modest income.
I have contacted some realtors and “put them on alert,” so to speak, but it's my belief that any truly good lead will come from someone with local hunting knowledge.

Pieces that are not yet developed or impounded for duck hunting, but have potential because of the area or flight path they are in are basically only going to be known by duck hunters. Likewise, when a small but successful duck hunting property could be bought, duck hunters will be the first to know about it. (likely the property won't ever actually get to the open market- this is how my farm sold, word of mouth to another duck hunter)

After doing all of the reading and research I can, I'm still not sure whether I would be more successful in an area right on the coast, such as Hyde/Tyrell/etc, or whether I might be better off slightly further inland towards the 95 corridor, in the Pitt/Bertie/Martin area. I would rather see fewer birds in an area where I could provide attractive habitat for them than be in an area where I would see numbers, but be routinely out-competed by folks with deeper pockets and more habitat to manage.

I would rather not use my money to book guided hunts or join a club because I really enjoy the aspect of managing my own land, with my own equipment, and having the ability to hunt it when I like, with whomever I like.

If you've stuck with me and read this far, God bless you. I would appreciate any productive comments, criticisms, or advice. Perhaps someone will read this and have an opportunity to steer me in the right direction, or even to the right spot.

Thanks,
Jon
 

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Jon - used to be a joke around here that the #1 cyber scouter state here was North Carolina. How many acres do you think you'd need/want for this venture? The proximity to the coast will be a challenge, as you know, for the budget.
 

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I hope nothing I wrote came off as cyber scouting. If so, sincere apologies. Certainly not my intention. Asking information about purchasing an existing spot or developing one- definitely not looking to move in on anyone else's! As far as acreage... I think that would depend on a whole bunch of factors, as well as the area, like you mentioned. Existing impoundments and water control structures seem to exponentially multiply the price/value of land in NC, from everything I've seen. Guess I am experiencing a touch of "sticker shock" coming from the MS flyway, where they are more of the norm. It seems to me that if I got a piece that was relatively undeveloped for duck hunting, and just had some waterfront, or a decent amount of swamp acreage, I would hope to find something in the hundred plus acre range. If it has some water control structures or systems in place already, with successful hunting having already occurred there, I would likely not be able to afford something that large. I do, however, think I would feel cramped on anything smaller than 50 or 60 acres. The farm I used to own was 250, but I'm not under any illusions of coming anywhere near that in this area, given my budget. Much different land prices out this way. I'm also into diversity of habitat and hunting locations. Just as an example, I would prefer a place with three holes that occasionally killed a few birds, rather than one hole that killed everyday. I think hunting a variety of locations is part of the enjoyment I get from the sport. As I often hunt by myself and fund my own planting, etc, I'm certainly not looking for forty or fifty impounded acres! Given my budget, I guess my ideal situation would be maybe a hundred ac, with at least half of that being naturally swampy. Could take my time developing ponds/impoundments on the higher ground over a few years. Idealistic is not the same as realistic, so I'll just have to see what comes up. From everything I'm learning about NC, the price goes up and the acres go down, the more water control is already present. Rather than have a set number of acres I'm looking for, I'm viewing it as variables that would cause that to go up or down. Thanks very much for reading, replying, and asking

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I hope nothing I wrote came off as cyber scouting. If so, sincere apologies. Certainly not my intention. Asking information about purchasing an existing spot or developing one- definitely not looking to move in on anyone else's! As far as acreage... I think that would depend on a whole bunch of factors, as well as the area, like you mentioned. Existing impoundments and water control structures seem to exponentially multiply the price/value of land in NC, from everything I've seen. Guess I am experiencing a touch of "sticker shock" coming from the MS flyway, where they are more of the norm. It seems to me that if I got a piece that was relatively undeveloped for duck hunting, and just had some waterfront, or a decent amount of swamp acreage, I would hope to find something in the hundred plus acre range. If it has some water control structures or systems in place already, with successful hunting having already occurred there, I would likely not be able to afford something that large. I do, however, think I would feel cramped on anything smaller than 50 or 60 acres. The farm I used to own was 250, but I'm not under any illusions of coming anywhere near that in this area, given my budget. Much different land prices out this way. I'm also into diversity of habitat and hunting locations. Just as an example, I would prefer a place with three holes that occasionally killed a few birds, rather than one hole that killed everyday. I think hunting a variety of locations is part of the enjoyment I get from the sport. As I often hunt by myself and fund my own planting, etc, I'm certainly not looking for forty or fifty impounded acres! Given my budget, I guess my ideal situation would be maybe a hundred ac, with at least half of that being naturally swampy. Could take my time developing ponds/impoundments on the higher ground over a few years. Idealistic is not the same as realistic, so I'll just have to see what comes up. From everything I'm learning about NC, the price goes up and the acres go down, the more water control is already present. Rather than have a set number of acres I'm looking for, I'm viewing it as variables that would cause that to go up or down. Thanks very much for reading, replying, and asking

Jon
I mentioned cyber scouting and NC only to say people struggle to find any volume of ducks in North Carolina. I'm no NC expert but seems a lot of tarheels hunt the coast if they want birds other than some diet of Woodies early on.

You're right, anything an easy 120 minute commute to the outer banks is gonna be pricey, I would think quite a bit more that 4-5K an acre. Maybe some NC guys can chime in on land prices these days cause NC is getting pricey faster than ever.
 

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Warning: Long Read! Hello to all. My name's Jon. If you're anything like me, you have been suffering the seasonal withdrawals that accompany February and March. If I can't duck hunt, talking about it and planning for future seasons is the next best thing. I am considering a move to North Carolina, and would like to find a tract to buy for duck hunting purposes. I don't think I will be very successful in this endeavor without local help and knowledge. After reading over the last ten years worth of relevant postings on this forum, I've come to the conclusion that there are several individuals on here that could be very helpful in my search. I will provide an introduction of myself/my hunting background below. Based on what I have read here, I think (hope) most of the serious and knowledgeable posters will be patient enough to read it in order to understand my intentions.

I have been waterfowl hunting for the last fifteen years. I am originally from the east coast, around the Delmarva region, and grew up as a deer hunter. I attended college in eastern Tennessee. One semester, I was walking in to archery hunt deer on a public area where I had been experiencing some success that fall. When I rounded a bend, suddenly I saw that the area was now flooded, and there were guys in camo with decoy spreads out. A gentleman politely informed me that since waterfowl season had arrived, the area was closed to deer hunting. I apologized profusely and left, after offering the conclusion that I guess I would have to learn how to duck hunt. That was pretty much the end of any hope I ever had at mental sanity or financial prosperity.

Over the next two seasons, I learned to hunt waterfowl on the surrounding rivers of eastern Tennessee, which is not exactly a duck mecca. The second season, I bought a dog, who became my best friend and hunting partner for the next thirteen years. I then discovered Arkansas, made friends there, and spent the next several seasons in Stuttgart, hunting mostly public ground, being fortunate to see more birds than I knew existed. As public hunting grew more competitive there, as it has nationwide, it began to take away some enjoyable aspects of the sport. I love competition in life, but not at 4:00 AM. I decided to pursue buying my own place to enjoy duck hunting.

After looking at several areas, and visiting a lot of prospective properties, I bought a farm in western Tennessee. Although I still lived on the east side of the state, it was close enough to drive every other week to manage my property. For the next six years, I enjoyed hunting my farm and the surrounding areas with friends I made. Birds were plentiful at times, scarce at others, but the hunting was always enjoyable- I would rather kill a few birds in peace than see a bunch in the middle of a public ground war zone. I enjoyed my time in the Mississippi Flyway, and will likely always return there to hunt and visit friends. I realize the Atlantic Flyway is a much different ballgame.

My parents live on the east coast (dad just retired to the Outer Banks), and I would like to be closer to them geographically to spend more time with them, as they are getting up in years. I was unexpectedly offered a generous sum for my farm last year and sold it, with my goal being to move closer to my parents. For now, I still live and work in eastern Tennessee, but am hoping to move to eastern NC once I can locate a suitable place.

I learned a lot through purchasing my last farm. I did some things right, and I did a bunch of things wrong. After making good duck hunting contacts in the area subsequent to purchasing it, the one thought I kept having was “if only I had known these people before I bought the place.” Chances are, I could have gotten a much better set up with all of the insider knowledge they possessed.

I'm trying to learn from that mistake, and do things better this time around. Without physically being in the area to meet people, this is one attempt I'm making to gather sage advice. It might be difficult to have some conversations without the ability to PM, but hopefully I can acquire that in time.

What am I looking for?
  • a property that has an area that will perk, so I can eventually have a modest residence there
  • a property that can support at least two hunting locations of different varieties (for instance, a swamp and an impoundment, or waterfront and a bottom, etc etc)
  • something within two hours maximum driving time of Manteo
  • a property I can do most of the management on myself (I own tractor and implements)
  • Ducks. I do most hunting by myself, and shooting a few birds per hunt is fine, hopefully a limit or two here and there on a good weather day. I hope I have appropriate expectations for the change of flyway.
  • A place to put a deer stand or two to enjoy with Dad.
  • Looking to spend 250K or under so as to not need a mortgage, with interest rising and an unstable economy. I'm just a single guy that works an outdoor job for modest income.
I have contacted some realtors and “put them on alert,” so to speak, but it's my belief that any truly good lead will come from someone with local hunting knowledge.

Pieces that are not yet developed or impounded for duck hunting, but have potential because of the area or flight path they are in are basically only going to be known by duck hunters. Likewise, when a small but successful duck hunting property could be bought, duck hunters will be the first to know about it. (likely the property won't ever actually get to the open market- this is how my farm sold, word of mouth to another duck hunter)

After doing all of the reading and research I can, I'm still not sure whether I would be more successful in an area right on the coast, such as Hyde/Tyrell/etc, or whether I might be better off slightly further inland towards the 95 corridor, in the Pitt/Bertie/Martin area. I would rather see fewer birds in an area where I could provide attractive habitat for them than be in an area where I would see numbers, but be routinely out-competed by folks with deeper pockets and more habitat to manage.

I would rather not use my money to book guided hunts or join a club because I really enjoy the aspect of managing my own land, with my own equipment, and having the ability to hunt it when I like, with whomever I like.

If you've stuck with me and read this far, God bless you. I would appreciate any productive comments, criticisms, or advice. Perhaps someone will read this and have an opportunity to steer me in the right direction, or even to the right spot.

Thanks,
Jon
 

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Hi Jon, I have looked at your post with great interest because myself and many others have been where you are now. I am sure you will be successful in your endeavor because you are certainly going about it in the right way. I managed to acquire waterfowl hunting property in Hyde county as well as inland counties along the Roanoke River. I would be willing to talk with you about my experiences as well as steer you to some areas where your objectives could be met. PM me and let's talk.
 

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Jon, JMO but I find the crew here to be largely unhelpful and it seems that is a conscious decision. Personally, I don’t get it. We’ll I’m not going to post GPS locations, a little help insight is not a big deal. It seems competition for ducks can be high here and everything seem to thing “those other guys” are the problem. Also, I’ve seen considerable negative sentiment here towards the idea of creating waterfowl impoundments to the point that many try to blame their lack of success on others doing this. I suspect that will further reduce your ability to get useful information here.

I can’t really help much with your search but I can offer some of my thoughts. I’d put a priority on lands to the north and east. That is mostly due to the fact that winters seem to be getting warming and birds arrive later. Not saying it can’t be good elsewhere but that just seems like to best bet for now. A realtor is probably your best bet. Breaking in enough with the locals to get some inside info on land for sale is hard to impossible. Of course, waterfowl like to be near water so a look at Google maps will help you key on the areas with some potential.

I think my recommention is about the same as what I’d give to anyone moving to a new area even if they are not looking to hunt and that is come to the area and either buy something that is easy to sell or rent in the general area and then spend a couple years figuring out where you want to be. And around here right now, I would rent. The housing market here has completely lost its mind and anything near the coast is even worse. Land without a house on it is better but it is still inflated. Wait for the bubble to burst, and it will, before you buy anything.
 

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CatFan, thanks so much for your thoughts. I agree with the vast majority of them. Headed that direction at the end of next week to visit family and fish... Have spoken with a realtor or two, hoping to facilitate an in person meeting when in the area. I'm trying to be extra patient (thanksfully, I have some solid hunting connections in the MS flyway) so as to allow the bubble to burst, as you say. I sure wish it would, but I also think that land suitable for duck hunting might buck normal real estate trends, and simply stay stable or continue to climb... I hope not, but it appears that way. You know, limited resources, law of supply and demand, demand for duck hunting places unfortunately doesn't seem to be going down anytime soon. You're also right on about the warmer winters. I have a place on the eastern shore in MD. When I was younger, we'd usually be frozen out before January, where as now we typically are able to hunt all the way through the end of that month. Trying to focus on northeastern NC areas, as you mentioned, and something near the Roanoke River or Albemarle sound. Thanks a lot for your thoughts, all the best to you.
 

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Hope your having luck in your search. I don't know if the bubble has burst yet but I think it might be leaking. Now, when I look at houses on realtor.com, most have had price drops in the last week or so. Your point about prices for hunting land not being as volatile may be true.
 
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