[don taylor]

Why do so many people here think that the NRA is not a worthwhile organization? I have read more negative comments about the NRA in recent weeks on this sight than I ever heard in my life. Are there instances where gun owners object to their stance? Or is this political because the NRA generally supports republicans? Republicans generallyare stronger on that issue than democrats. Shouldn't they support people with the most pro gun backgrounds? What other reasons are there? any specifics?

 

[captainduckhead]

This going to get heated folks so sit tight and grab some popcorn. :hammer:

 

[Tom Phillips*]

Why do so many people here think that the NRA is not a worthwhile organization?

I don't think there are that many hunters who don't like the NRA. It may seem that way though, because the few who do will tend to repeat themselves over and over, and do it on many threads.

Make a list of them and update it, then you know where they're coming from each time you see their name pop up.

For the rest of us thinking hunters who love FREEDOM, and are real Americans, we'll keep on supporting the NRA and ensuring that we retain our rights RECOGNIZED (not granted) in the U.S. Constitution.

Tom Phillips*

 

[Tom Phillips*]

The NRA is the most important organization to belong to for those who love FREEDOM. It is the largest organization, comprised of more than 4 million members, that is a bulwark against the evil forces that would make slaves of the population.

Be an NRA Member.

 

[wackemstackem]

I dont think the NRA is not a worthwhile organization.But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun. :thumbsdown:
Hey you dont speak english,no prob,here are some forms in spanish.
Iner city gangbanger needs a AK,no prob,can I see your drivers liscense,
Ive seen both with my own eyes.Not cool :thumbsdown:

 

[captainduckhead]

Of the reasons listed for NOT supporting the NRA, what are the most commonly cited reasons? And since they are just repeated over and over it should be easy to remember and list them.

 

[SpinnerMan]

But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun.

Why not? If their 18 and never been convicted of a felony, why shouldn't they. I'd be really curious about what criteria YOU believe should be applied to getting a gun. I'm serious. Try to write your ideal law.

I think to buy a gun then 18, a pulse, and no felonies is pretty good with the option for a doctor limiting it for specific mental health conditions.

Iner city gangbanger needs a AK,no prob,can I see your drivers liscense,
Ive seen both with my own eyes.Not cool :thumbsdown:

Almost guarantee that the gangbanger acquired the gun illegally. First off AK's are expensive weapons. Second, if they are under 18, it's illegal. Third, if they already had a felony, they were illegal. Nearly all (not 100%) guns used in crime were illegal (felon, under 18, stolen, ...) before they were used in the crime.

The NRA is 100% for mandatory minimums for felons in possession, which has been shown to have huge benefits to reducing the murder rates. If your a felon and carrying, you face a mandatory minimum of 5 years. Unfortunately, a lot of jurisdictions plea these charges away. There is no excuse for that.

Please, let us know what you think the criteria should be. If you think it's wrong, then what should it be. It's easy to criticize, but it's hard to put forth your ideas for criticism. I put mine out there.

 

[lanthanide]

Wackemstackem…

You embody the very ignorant and destructive attitude that will eventually deprive us of all our guns.

You make the differential between the weapons and suggest criminals can be legislated out of existence. You speak of the AK and the 'gang-banger'. Pure rhetoric and weak-minded rationalization. Was it not too long ago at NIU that another violent act was committed using a simple pump shotgun?

If the "gang-banger" cannot get his 'AK'…will he not adapt. Anybody here wanna give up their 870?

Look…at the beginning of the last 'assault weapons' ban I still held my FFL. It wasn't too long before a man tried to buy a simple BPS from me that I got to see how effective Clinton's new "LAWS" were. He became nervous as I made the phone call for the background check. Perhaps he assumed that as a private dealer I didn't do this…like my FFL had 'training wheels' or something. You get three responses on a background check…approved….hold…denied. The last is only given if you're a felon or convicted of a domestic violence crime. This guy came back 'denied'. Not knowing this guy from Adam, I played it down and said there was a 'hold' and to come back tomorrow. He never came back. I then called up to report this and was told: "We're not prosecuting these violations at this time". I was beside myself!!! I called the local cops…nope…federal law…they won't touch it. They took down the info in case they needed to bring him in for something else…but the guy essentially walked.

SO…all of you that feel guns laws work…where were you when that smiling political heap of a man (a.k.a. Clinton) stood and declared his new laws a success. I know where I was. I listened to him brag that these laws kept guns out of the hands of tens of thousands of criminals…SO WHERE ARE THE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF ARRESTS AND COURT CASES!?!?!

A politician that enacts laws they have no intention of enforcing should have an especially sultry place in hell reserved.

Now…I ask anyone again…don't you see what the NRA is up against? The politicians don't want some guns…they want then all. IMHO, if you're on this site and not an NRA member there is a very big problem…or your dumb enough to keep fooling yourself.

 

[jaysweet3]

It's not just about guns! It's about all of our rights. For the first time since 1939 the U.S. Supreme Court is currently reviewing the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. If second-amendment rights are taken away, doubtlessly lesser rights will follow. Gun rights are a natural target for those who would control us. First, politicians view guns as contributing to general disorder and as facilitators of assassination. Second, guns are perceived by some as inherently dangerous, fearsome, instruments of mischief. Those people have developed a strongly-felt, core distrust of all gun owners. Then there are the communications media. While staunchly defending their own First-Amendment rights, they shamelessly and deliberately exploit violence in order to build audience for their advertisers, then blame gun owners. There are those who are genetically programed with pathological certitude, narcissistic self confidence, and the obsession to control others. Some of them are in our government, some are not, but they have the power and the will to deprive gun owners of their power. Not only do they want to control gun owners, they want to control the rest of us, too. Perhaps the greatest of all dangers to our freedoms is that there are those among us, who are so consumed with fear and insecurity, that they would give up their rights and responsibilities, so that government could "take care of them" by controlling everything.

 

[jrockncash]

Is the NRA important yes, is it perfect no. This is just like someone that says everything the Repubs do is right and everything the Dems do is wrong. Its silly to think that one group of people is perfect.

 

[captainduckhead]

Thank you Jrock for finally saying something like an American. No group is perfect. I would hate to have people here gang up on wackemstackem for saying that same thing. If you read his post that is essentially all he said. He added that he doesn't belong to the NRA, but that doesn't mean lets ostracize him. Wackem is a hunter, a gun owner, and a flag saluting American. He loves his rights and will defend them, all he did was criticize one small ideal that the NRA has. Most gun owners are very passionate about gun ownership and thus are members of the NRA. Sometimes we all, (myself included) get too worked up in what we believe to see the other side of the coin. The NRA does good things for "We The People", there are some of the people who can exploit and abuse those rights, by slipping through the cracks, just like any of our other rights. I will never give up my guns, and I like that the NRA helps ensure that. I think almost everyone here has seen someone mishandle a firearm, or use one in an unsafe manner. I have seen that before. and I remember thinking, "that guy shouldn't own a gun". Maybe I was wrong, but I still thought it. So all I'm trying to say is don't beat up on wackem for not being 100% on board with a special interest group.

 

[Preacher1011]

Rabble, rabble, rabble.

Anywho, I'm with jrock on this one. It's an organization protecting our freedoms. Sure I don't agree with all their policies, such as no waiting periods for automatic weapons. But what the hay, if there's more good than bad, especially with the 2nd ammendment such a big issue, why not support the NRA? If you don't do something to stop your guns being taken then you can't b***h when they do get taken. Sit here and fuss about the NRA all you want, but you'll be sorry when your sitting over your dekes with a club and rocks.

 

[wvlippo]

As a person who knows what's going on inside the NRA rather well, and why they do the things they do, I can say with all my heart that the NRA is the strongest most important organization any firearm owner can support and belong to. I love this organization and have given a lot of my heart and soul. Its not just a political lobbing monster but the leader in firearm training, competitions, and education. I can say I don't always agree 100%, but like other folks said I cant think of anything I agree with 100%. The NRA has quite the battle in front of us now and it will need the support and help from every gun owner in America that wants to ensure that freedom.

 

[wackemstackem]

Their is nothin Im gonna say thats gonna change your minds and that definetly was not my intention.
I simply stated two instances that happened when I was in a gun store.
Sorry some of you think its ok for a non english speaking person to purchase a weapon.For some reason that just dont sit rite with me.
I was appalled when that kid walked out of that store with a chinese sks ak knockoff.
If you think thats ok join the NRA.
I guess its easy to look the other way at these problems when it does not happen where you live.
The problem is theirs cracks in the current laws(enforced or not) that allow this to happen
Im an advocate for Liscensing and education.Then you can buy anything you want.
Does the NRA do anything to help enforce these laws.Maybe donate a little coin to help out.Some states need the NRA especially CA,but here in NY our liscense program works just fine by me.
And gimme a break with the political rehtoric.This is not the revolution or nazi germany.

One last thing.......FROM MY COLD DEAD FIST...
Charlton Heston was not the first man to say it.

 

[don taylor]

Where you there? Did you hear the way that man proclaimed that statement? Did you hear the crowds reaction? If you did you would know what I mean. I also never claimed it as a original statement. Mr. Heston has proven himself by his actions and statements. Your statements on the other hand are negative towards gun ownership. I asked for specific instances and you provided some. Whether you know this or not, just because someone doesn't speak english doesn't mean they can't own a gun. Legal US citizen should not be denied gun ownership. PERIOD. You complain and have a stereotypical response to a legal gun sale. The funny thing is he was probably a NRA member. I also didn't direct anything to you Mr Wacker. why choose to critcize me at the end? You have a poor arguement and it seems to me like your running out of ideas to back up your views. BTW I only pick on anti's. Think before you type and I won't say a thing. If you chose to enter these discussions be prepared to defend yourself. why do I need to comment on you? Everyone else is ripping you and your arguement to shreds.

 

[SpinnerMan]

Sorry some of you think its ok for a non english speaking person to purchase a weapon.For some reason that just dont sit rite with me.

Don't know how to respond to that. English is NOT our official language. Puerto Rico and all the Indian Nations are part of America, so I'm not sure what the rules should be.

I was appalled when that kid walked out of that store with a chinese sks ak knockoff.

A kid. Really. Under 18. I'm skeptical. Did you report them?

Im an advocate for Liscensing and education.

How is this different than the current instant background check? We already have effectively what you are asking for. The NRA, to my knowledge, has no problem with this with the exception that the records are not kept as a de facto gun registration.

Here is the law enforcement section of their website.
http://www.nrahq.org/law/index.asp

I really think you misunderstand the NRA's position and what they do. There is no surer way to protect gun rights than to prosecute criminals that commit real crimes.

You say your license program works just fine, but what does that mean? Has it had any impact on crime? I seriously doubt it. As I said before, almost all guns are illegally owned even before they are used in a crime. Adding a lack of license on top of armed robbery or murder isn't exactly a big deterent. It just trips up honest people that move into your state.

I have a friend that I used to hunt with in GA and he recently moved to the NY. This is a quote from an e-mail he sent me a couple weeks ago. This doesn't sound like it's working to me. BTW, he has a security clearance, so he's not exactly a person of concern.

I just took the last of three three-hour gun safety classes yesterday.
You should have seen my mood last Tuesday when I remembered I have to go to it, and even worse after I realized it's until 10 PM. I could almost teach the first and third of the class. The only thing that I didn't know was in the second class, related to NY gun laws. I must take the class before I submit my license application. There is only one facility allowed to teach the darn thing in the county, and you have to take the course in the county in which you reside. I called last November, and they were full until March. It's only because I was on a waiting list in case of a cancellation that I got in for the February class. After I got my certificate from the class I can submit my license application, with 100$ fingerprints, and wait at least two months, up to maybe six, to be able to pick up my guns from the dealer here in New York. Yippeeee! I wonder if the gun class facility lobbied the legislature to let only one place in the county teach the course.

 

[duckhunt]

No democracy is perfect the flea's come with the dog but to tear down an org like the nra and be a gun owner is totally nut's who else is going to support you. That burn's me up as much as people who say im not going to vote (so they can make a statement that there displeased with goverment) every body has to comp to a certain degree any org can do something that you don't agree with but you have to way the option's

 

[jehler]

I was appalled when that kid walked out of that store with a chinese sks ak knockoff.
If you think thats ok join the NRA.

When I was 18 I walked out of a gun store with a colt ar-15, 4 sks's and a handgun. I had hair to my ass and was wearing berckenstocks and a ripped up dead shirt. the most serious crime I have ever committed was bieng on plane in a boat on a NO WAKE LAKE. By your criteria, I guess I shouldn't have been able to buy those guns? what about the nra isn't perfect. I'd like to know, list'em

 

[wackemstackem]

Ok spin ill play the game with ya

Sorry some of you think its ok for a non english speaking person to purchase a weapon.For some reason that just dont sit rite with me.

Don't know how to respond to that. English is NOT our official language. Puerto Rico and all the Indian Nations are part of America, so I'm not sure what the rules should be.

I do.Learn english or go back to where ever it is you came from.Do me a favor spin, dont play the liberal when its convienent

I was appalled when that kid walked out of that store with a chinese sks ak knockoff.

A kid. Really. Under 18. I'm skeptical. Did you report them?

Your kidding me rite..?dont be silly.Im a little older so anyone in their early 20s is a kid to me.
On the other hand spin tell me something.You think its ok to sell a weapon like that to some black kid from a bad neighbor hood...(I heard him say where he was from)Or you dont think its rite but just dont give a ****.(pg13)
Then again.If that kid took a 8 hour course learned gun safety how to clean and operate that weapon,where he can shoot it.(we cant shoot in our back yards like alot of you boys can)stored it safely,ect ect,I could care less if he was buying 10 assault weapons.
Does that make me an anti...

Im an advocate for Liscensing and education.

How is this different than the current instant background check?
:huh: what..?
We already have effectively what you are asking for. The NRA, to my knowledge, has no problem with this with the exception that the records are not kept as a de facto gun registration.

Great put up or shut up..SHOW ME THE MONEY.they got plenty.No one bitches about a hunter safety course.I would join the NRA tomorrow if they would sponser education for first time buyers.

Here is the law enforcement section of their website.
http://www.nrahq.org/law/index.asp

Biased facts.

I really think you misunderstand the NRA's position and what they do. There is no surer way to protect gun rights than to prosecute criminals that commit real crimes.

I understand that perfectly.

You say your license program works just fine, but what does that mean? Has it had any impact on crime? I seriously doubt it. As I said before, almost all guns are illegally owned even before they are used in a crime. Adding a lack of license on top of armed robbery or murder isn't exactly a big deterent. It just trips up honest people that move into your state.

Safest city in America pal....fact...
Ileagly owned because their bought that way from some pawn shop down south.Do the NRA lobbiest do anything about this..?
It dosent trip anyone up.They just gotta wait a few months.But they can buy a long gun anytime.Whats the problem.

I have a friend that I used to hunt with in GA and he recently moved to the NY. This is a quote from an e-mail he sent me a couple weeks ago. This doesn't sound like it's working to me. BTW, he has a security clearance, so he's not exactly a person of concern.

Are you looking for sympathy on this one :huh:
Keeps criminals in NY from buying guns tho dosent it. :thumbsup:
Its ok you can say it.yep it works.No such thing as handgun bought illeagly in NY.UNLESS it was purchased in another state (illeagly)and sold here.So why cant you guys keep your guns off MY streets.....??

I just took the last of three three-hour gun safety classes yesterday.
You should have seen my mood last Tuesday when I remembered I have to go to it, and even worse after I realized it's until 10 PM. I could almost teach the first and third of the class. The only thing that I didn't know was in the second class, related to NY gun laws. I must take the class before I submit my license application. There is only one facility allowed to teach the darn thing in the county, and you have to take the course in the county in which you reside. I called last November, and they were full until March. It's only because I was on a waiting list in case of a cancellation that I got in for the February class. After I got my certificate from the class I can submit my license application, with 100$ fingerprints, and wait at least two months, up to maybe six, to be able to pick up my guns from the dealer here in New York. Yippeeee! I wonder if the gun class facility lobbied the legislature to let only one place in the county teach the course.

If it keeps one cops wife from becomming a widow is it not worth it.

Sorry you had to wait.The good news is you wont have to wait when your done.No waiting period in NY for liscensed handgun owners.

Next.

 

[jaysweet3]

Wackem, are you one of those no gun no crime guys?