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Why do so many people here think that the NRA is not a worthwhile organization? I have read more negative comments about the NRA in recent weeks on this sight than I ever heard in my life. Are there instances where gun owners object to their stance? Or is this political because the NRA generally supports republicans? Republicans generallyare stronger on that issue than democrats. Shouldn't they support people with the most pro gun backgrounds? What other reasons are there? any specifics?
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I dont think the NRA is not a worthwhile organization.But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun. :thumbsdown:
Hey you dont speak english,no prob,here are some forms in spanish.
Iner city gangbanger needs a AK,no prob,can I see your drivers liscense,
Ive seen both with my own eyes.Not cool :thumbsdown:
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Their is nothin Im gonna say thats gonna change your minds and that definetly was not my intention.
I simply stated two instances that happened when I was in a gun store.
Sorry some of you think its ok for a non english speaking person to purchase a weapon.For some reason that just dont sit rite with me.
I was appalled when that kid walked out of that store with a chinese sks ak knockoff.
If you think thats ok join the NRA.
I guess its easy to look the other way at these problems when it does not happen where you live.
The problem is theirs cracks in the current laws(enforced or not) that allow this to happen
Im an advocate for Liscensing and education.Then you can buy anything you want.
Does the NRA do anything to help enforce these laws.Maybe donate a little coin to help out.Some states need the NRA especially CA,but here in NY our liscense program works just fine by me.
And gimme a break with the political rehtoric.This is not the revolution or nazi germany.

One last thing.......FROM MY COLD DEAD FIST...
Charlton Heston was not the first man to say it.
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Ok spin ill play the game with ya

SpinnerMan said:
wackemstackem said:
Sorry some of you think its ok for a non english speaking person to purchase a weapon.For some reason that just dont sit rite with me.
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Don't know how to respond to that. English is NOT our official language. Puerto Rico and all the Indian Nations are part of America, so I'm not sure what the rules should be.

I do.Learn english or go back to where ever it is you came from.Do me a favor spin, dont play the liberal when its convienent

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I was appalled when that kid walked out of that store with a chinese sks ak knockoff.
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A kid. Really. Under 18. I'm skeptical. Did you report them?

Your kidding me rite..?dont be silly.Im a little older so anyone in their early 20s is a kid to me.
On the other hand spin tell me something.You think its ok to sell a weapon like that to some black kid from a bad neighbor hood...(I heard him say where he was from)Or you dont think its rite but just dont give a ****.(pg13)
Then again.If that kid took a 8 hour course learned gun safety how to clean and operate that weapon,where he can shoot it.(we cant shoot in our back yards like alot of you boys can)stored it safely,ect ect,I could care less if he was buying 10 assault weapons.
Does that make me an anti...
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Im an advocate for Liscensing and education.
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How is this different than the current instant background check?
:huh: what..?
We already have effectively what you are asking for. The NRA, to my knowledge, has no problem with this with the exception that the records are not kept as a de facto gun registration.

Great put up or shut up..SHOW ME THE MONEY.they got plenty.No one bitches about a hunter safety course.I would join the NRA tomorrow if they would sponser education for first time buyers.

Here is the law enforcement section of their website.
http://www.nrahq.org/law/index.asp

Biased facts.

I really think you misunderstand the NRA's position and what they do. There is no surer way to protect gun rights than to prosecute criminals that commit real crimes.

I understand that perfectly.

You say your license program works just fine, but what does that mean? Has it had any impact on crime? I seriously doubt it. As I said before, almost all guns are illegally owned even before they are used in a crime. Adding a lack of license on top of armed robbery or murder isn't exactly a big deterent. It just trips up honest people that move into your state.

Safest city in America pal....fact...
Ileagly owned because their bought that way from some pawn shop down south.Do the NRA lobbiest do anything about this..?
It dosent trip anyone up.They just gotta wait a few months.But they can buy a long gun anytime.Whats the problem.

I have a friend that I used to hunt with in GA and he recently moved to the NY. This is a quote from an e-mail he sent me a couple weeks ago. This doesn't sound like it's working to me. BTW, he has a security clearance, so he's not exactly a person of concern.

Are you looking for sympathy on this one :huh:
Keeps criminals in NY from buying guns tho dosent it. :thumbsup:
Its ok you can say it.yep it works.No such thing as handgun bought illeagly in NY.UNLESS it was purchased in another state (illeagly)and sold here.So why cant you guys keep your guns off MY streets.....??

I just took the last of three three-hour gun safety classes yesterday.
You should have seen my mood last Tuesday when I remembered I have to go to it, and even worse after I realized it's until 10 PM. I could almost teach the first and third of the class. The only thing that I didn't know was in the second class, related to NY gun laws. I must take the class before I submit my license application. There is only one facility allowed to teach the darn thing in the county, and you have to take the course in the county in which you reside. I called last November, and they were full until March. It's only because I was on a waiting list in case of a cancellation that I got in for the February class. After I got my certificate from the class I can submit my license application, with 100$ fingerprints, and wait at least two months, up to maybe six, to be able to pick up my guns from the dealer here in New York. Yippeeee! I wonder if the gun class facility lobbied the legislature to let only one place in the county teach the course.
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If it keeps one cops wife from becomming a widow is it not worth it.

Sorry you had to wait.The good news is you wont have to wait when your done.No waiting period in NY for liscensed handgun owners.

Next.
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No bro.
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Ok spin ill play the game with ya
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I'm glad this is all a game to you. As you might have noticed, the rest of us take this very serious.

Dont take my sarcasam as not being serious,sorry

You have strong opinions, but why don't you care to debate them. I guess you just know you are right.

Spin I thought we were debating them,and yes I do feel Im rite.

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If it keeps one cops wife from becomming a widow is it not worth it.
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Is there any evidence whatsoever that it does this.

Yes their is spin.The three dead cops that were gunned down in NYC the past the past 2 yrs with weapons purchased down south.Does the NRA donate any of its millions to prevent illeagle gun purchases...?

Criminals shoot cops.

Sure do.

Criminals don't get gun licenses.

No they dont.

Armed citizens deter a lot of crime, they apprehend a fair number of criminals, and even kill a few.

ABSOLUTLY.Lets hear it for the good guy!!!!.Its a great day when a criminal picks the wrong victim.Its even happened to me.

How many of these criminals that are dead or in jail would have eventually killed a cop or someone else? It's not a zero sum game.

I dont understand your point on this one bro.

Good people do good things and bad people do bad things, but all that licensing and the other headaches do is take guns from good people. I just don't see how that could ever work out to be a net positive. Maybe you could explain how the licensing is taking any guns out of the hands of would-be cop killers.

Spin I really think its all about where in this country you live.Giving everyone the right to go in and buy a weapon with out some sort of training is like giving whiskey to the indians.
Did your pop teach you to shoot...?Do you live in a rual area...?Can you shoot on your own property or close by.
Id say pretty much everyone on this site does.I doubt thier is anyone on this site that has not handled some type of weapon for years before they stepped into a blind.
Would you feel comfortable selling a hangun or assault weapon to someone that has none of the above,no experience whatsoever.Be honest.
I know what your gonna say..I support his right to do so..... I dont.
Whats wrong with having a guy learn how to use his weapon before he hurts himself or someone else.

My friend will be disarmed for almost an entire year. Will this cost him or his wife their life or will she be raped, ... Probably not, but there is a very small chance that it will happen and right now they are defenseless. He and his wife are at a slightly greater risk because his guns are locked up at a gun shop.

Your friend wont be dissarmed lets not get carried away here,As soon as he gets his drivers liscense he can buy any rifle shotgun assault weapon he wants.If your friends in Nassau pm maybe I can help.
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Quack,what I meant was the all the amo restrictions in CA.Diddent they just ban lead..?im on the same page as you pal. Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject:

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Here's my list and then I'm done.

1. You are the first person I've ever heard from NY that has said anything positive about gun law/registration in NY.

Thanks,Are their any NYers out their that want to give their opinion

2. registration is the first step in total confiscation.
Can you prove that,,here in the USA..

3. Should people learn how to shoot before they buy a gun, probably. But if you don't think a single mom (who's never fired a gun) buys a gun when their ex-boyfriend threatens them can't point a revolver and hit someone breaking in at 6 ft away, Ill say your wrong because I've seen it happen

Agreed,I would not doubt a single mom could not hit something 6ft away. Maybe she needs some condoms too.

4. State and federal gov. should properly fund their agencies to ensure laws are enforced. Agencies shouldn't need funds from Non Profit organizations like the NRA to fund government agencies to enforce the law, that's why we pay taxes.

100% Correct :thumbsup: But is the NRA really non profit.

5. The NRA does more to promote firearm safety and education than any other organization in the world.

So does my local police force,Did the NRA offer you training and instruction..?

6. Lastly, a quote form you;

"You think its ok to sell a weapon like that to some black kid from a bad neighbor hood...(I heard him say where he was from)Or you don't think its rite but just don't give a crap."

This is the most racist comment I've seen posted. So what if he's black. If he's from a bad neighborhood it's all the more reason to need a gun, and if he's buying it from a licensed dealer he must have passed a background check. If this was a white kid from a trailer park know to produce meth you wouldn't have a problem though.

You got some pair of balls taking my qote out of context like that and bringin in the race card. :mad:
I guess I just assumed with all the tats,the pants hangin down around his knees,his underware sticken out and that dopey crooked baseball hat that he was headed to the nearest range with that AK knockoff,,rite :huh:
We dont have trailer parks or meth problems here.But if we did why would the situation be any different..?
Thats a pretty Liberal statement you made their and like most liberal statements,completly untrue.

If you like and want to keep the right to own a gun and defend your family and property you better get on board with the NRA, because when the sh** hits the fan they're the only one that have the means to possibly save your freedom.

They can have my guns but thier get the bullets first.
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Sorry wv,I just dont think that any swingin dick should be able to walk into a gun shop and purchase any weapon they want with out knowing their qualifications.
Ill never support any oranization that does.

Tommy boy* where ya been.I knew sure as the sun would rise you could not hold back postin in this thread.
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Your supposed to be a smart guy Tom* figure it out,
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:thumbsup: WV
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:angry: :umm: :boxing: YEA BABY...come get some
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Tom Phillips* said:
It's important to look at every new situation with fresh eyes. Consider all points of view. Chase it down to the end. If you find one person or side who is lying, remember it. Judge that source based on their proven credibility.

Under the same scrutiny, when you find someone who has told the truth, remember it. Judge that source on it's credibility.

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I dont think the NRA is not a worthwhile organization.But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun. :thumbsdown:

This is a lie.

Hey you dont speak english,no prob,here are some forms in spanish.
Iner city gangbanger needs a AK,no prob,can I see your drivers liscense,

This is either a lie, or a statement that the person was observing an illegal transaction.

Ive seen both with my own eyes.Not cool :thumbsdown:
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Your callen me a liair now Tom* :mad:
Im not gonna stoop to your lowly level and play that game.

I can fax you or any one else the form for NY to purchase a long gun.On the front its in english and on the back its in spanish.
Anyone with a drivers liscense or state issued ID can fill one out.

How is this a lie Tom*

I dont think the NRA is not a worthwhile organization.But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun.

How is this a lie Tom*

Is it safe to say you hunt alone most of the time.
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Tom Phillips* said:
wackemstackem said:
Tom Phillips* said:
It's important to look at every new situation with fresh eyes. Consider all points of view. Chase it down to the end. If you find one person or side who is lying, remember it. Judge that source based on their proven credibility.

Under the same scrutiny, when you find someone who has told the truth, remember it. Judge that source on it's credibility.

wackemstackem said:
I dont think the NRA is not a worthwhile organization. But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun. :thumbsdown:

This is a lie.

Hey you dont speak english,no prob,here are some forms in spanish.
Iner city gangbanger needs a AK,no prob,can I see your drivers liscense,

This is either a lie, or a statement that the person was observing an illegal transaction.

Ive seen both with my own eyes.Not cool :thumbsdown:
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Remember. :smile:
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Your callen me a liair now Tom* :mad:
Im not gonna stoop to your lowly level and play that game.

I can fax you or any one else the form for NY to purchase a long gun.On the front its in english and on the back its in spanish.
Anyone with a drivers liscense or state issued ID can fill one out.

How is this a lie Tom*

I dont think the NRA is not a worthwhile organization.But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun.

How is this a lie Tom*

Is it safe to say you hunt alone most of the time.
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I'm identifying what you wrote as a lie. It's not personal.

It is in my book,

You wrote: "But Im not gonna support an organization that supports the fact that ANYONE with a pulse can buy a gun."

First off, it's grammatically poor. Is it a fact that anyone with a pulse can buy a gun? No.

Pretty much so,not technically tho,is that what your looking for.?...I think myself,Dude,CDH,ect,put you in your place and now all you have left is my poor gramatics...?

If it were, would the NRA support anyone with a pulse being able to buy a gun? No.

Dabateable.

Next point: When you write AK, do you mean (as is commonly meant) an AK-47?

If you really need to know the answer to that question than I can see why you are a member of the NRA

Regardin the NRA supporter, detractor, or observer thread; if you have a strong belief about the NRA, stand up and put your name (or "wackemstackem") behind it.

I did. :biggrin:

Why should I.....?You put me on another list allready and it backfired on you.
Peace. :smile:
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Tom*:lol: I think your a couple sandwitches short of picnic.

Get help.

sore loser.
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Tom*..I changed my mind CDH is rite.Please dont put me on any list that you comprise.Even if you say im awsome.I mean....you can still say im awsome but I dont want to be on any list.Diddent the nazis do somthing like that ...you know have lists.Anyway thanks for asking(this time).
ps If you put me on the list im gonna rat you out to A2.
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Yea I find her hot too..Do you think that guy hits that when their up in those trees togeather :love: :drool: I would :thumbsup:
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Shes on a hunting show on oln called,gettin close,.
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Dead men tell no tales.
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Diddent someone just get banned for not playing nice.....? Then I wont have anyone left to argue with
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wackemstackem said:
Sorry wv,I just dont think that any swingin dick should be able to walk into a gun shop and purchase any weapon they want with out knowing their qualifications.
Ill never support any oranization that does.

Tommy boy* where ya been.I knew sure as the sun would rise you could not hold back postin in this thread.
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Just so I dont have to repeat myself...
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