Does anyone have an idea of why California doesn't allow us to hunt swans where I hunt their are thousands and I've heard they are pretty good to eat for old timerd
delta85c
There is potential for two species of swan. One is endangered and there is generally no way most hunters would be, able to identify them in the air. That was the original reason but the liklihood of the endangered species occuring here is, extremely small. As for taste they are not good. They taste like, a big snow goose.
The fact they are illegal to hunt hasn't stopped anyone from dumping one. I've seen them get shot at at multiple refuges this year and two party's were successful on taking one down. It blows my mind on the stupidity of these people shooting at them thinking they are snows. Sorry to go off topic there..
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And they can shot ful auto 30 rd mag in some states.delta85c said:
They can smoke legal weed in some states.
Do I give a damn what they are allowed to do in other states.
Nope.
I am sure the guys in the mid altlantic fly way are asking why are they allowed to shoot 7 ducks when we can only shot 5 and why are season is 110 days long when there's is 75.
I mean come on. You are questioning hunting laws in ca. That should explain it all. They probably think they are pretty and don't want us to shoot them.delta85c said:
"The American Ornithologist's Union (1982) changed the common name of this species
from whistling swan to tundra swan. North American tundra swans are delineated into
two populations, based upon their largely separate breeding and wintering distributions
(Figure 1). The Western Population breeds in western and northwestern Alaska and
winters in the western United States and coastal British Columbia. The Eastern
Population breeds from northern Alaska across the Canadian Arctic and winters on the
Atlantic coast.
The number of WP swans recorded on the Pacific Flyway Midwinter Waterfowl Surveys
has averaged about 55,300 birds over the long term (1949-2000) and 80,600 over the
past 10 years (Appendix A). WP winter indices doubled during the 1950s, increased by
50% in the 1970s and 1980s, and began a steady significant increase in the 1990s
(Figure 2). The population reached an all-time high of 122,521 swans in 1997 and
nearly as many in 1999 (Appendix A). Historically, EP swans have been more
numerous than WP swans, and began to increase significantly in the mid-1970s. The
EP grew by 55% between the mid-1950s and the late 1990s and peaked at over
110,000 in 1992. Since then the EP has averaged about 90,000 swans and seems
relatively stable or gradually declining. Overall, the combined number of EP and WP
swans increased at an average annual rate of about 2.1% during the period 1955-89
(
Serie and Bartonek 1991) and now comprise a record number of over 210,000 tundra
swans in North America."
http://pacificflyway.gov/documents/wts_plan.pdf
ADDITIONALLY, BEAR IN MIND THERE ARE FERAL MUTE SWANS AT LARGE IN CA
from whistling swan to tundra swan. North American tundra swans are delineated into
two populations, based upon their largely separate breeding and wintering distributions
(Figure 1). The Western Population breeds in western and northwestern Alaska and
winters in the western United States and coastal British Columbia. The Eastern
Population breeds from northern Alaska across the Canadian Arctic and winters on the
Atlantic coast.
The number of WP swans recorded on the Pacific Flyway Midwinter Waterfowl Surveys
has averaged about 55,300 birds over the long term (1949-2000) and 80,600 over the
past 10 years (Appendix A). WP winter indices doubled during the 1950s, increased by
50% in the 1970s and 1980s, and began a steady significant increase in the 1990s
(Figure 2). The population reached an all-time high of 122,521 swans in 1997 and
nearly as many in 1999 (Appendix A). Historically, EP swans have been more
numerous than WP swans, and began to increase significantly in the mid-1970s. The
EP grew by 55% between the mid-1950s and the late 1990s and peaked at over
110,000 in 1992. Since then the EP has averaged about 90,000 swans and seems
relatively stable or gradually declining. Overall, the combined number of EP and WP
swans increased at an average annual rate of about 2.1% during the period 1955-89
(
Serie and Bartonek 1991) and now comprise a record number of over 210,000 tundra
swans in North America."
http://pacificflyway.gov/documents/wts_plan.pdf
ADDITIONALLY, BEAR IN MIND THERE ARE FERAL MUTE SWANS AT LARGE IN CA
There are lots of bald eagles where I hunt. :fingerpt:mendotakiller said:Why can't we hunt Sandhills here either
You can. You just have to pay the consequences if you get caught. How deep is your wallet? I bet they taste just as good as spoonie if you marinate them in a sugar base long enough.mendotakiller said:Why can't we hunt Sandhills here either
Same reason you can't shoot doe's in this state. Public outcry aka (Bambi) and I will say it again, HORRIBLE GAME MANAGEMENT.
When the swans are crapping in the public parks like honkers or biting little kids, you will get your chance to whack a 30 lb migrating bird. Again, management.
My guess is, within the next 10-20 years the bear population will explode and they will be hunted like hogs. Again, management
When the swans are crapping in the public parks like honkers or biting little kids, you will get your chance to whack a 30 lb migrating bird. Again, management.
My guess is, within the next 10-20 years the bear population will explode and they will be hunted like hogs. Again, management
. Excellent post! It is great to get a bunch of cool information on this site. Thanks.JRS said:"The American Ornithologist's Union (1982) changed the common name of this species
from whistling swan to tundra swan. North American tundra swans are delineated into
two populations, based upon their largely separate breeding and wintering distributions
(Figure 1). The Western Population breeds in western and northwestern Alaska and
winters in the western United States and coastal British Columbia. The Eastern
Population breeds from northern Alaska across the Canadian Arctic and winters on the
Atlantic coast.
The number of WP swans recorded on the Pacific Flyway Midwinter Waterfowl Surveys
has averaged about 55,300 birds over the long term (1949-2000) and 80,600 over the
past 10 years (Appendix A). WP winter indices doubled during the 1950s, increased by
50% in the 1970s and 1980s, and began a steady significant increase in the 1990s
(Figure 2). The population reached an all-time high of 122,521 swans in 1997 and
nearly as many in 1999 (Appendix A). Historically, EP swans have been more
numerous than WP swans, and began to increase significantly in the mid-1970s. The
EP grew by 55% between the mid-1950s and the late 1990s and peaked at over
110,000 in 1992. Since then the EP has averaged about 90,000 swans and seems
relatively stable or gradually declining. Overall, the combined number of EP and WP
swans increased at an average annual rate of about 2.1% during the period 1955-89
(
Serie and Bartonek 1991) and now comprise a record number of over 210,000 tundra
swans in North America."
http://pacificflyway.gov/documents/wts_plan.pdf
ADDITIONALLY, BEAR IN MIND THERE ARE FERAL MUTE SWANS AT LARGE IN CA
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