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It's crazy how the number of threads and posts in this forum have just CRASHED since BT passed away. Amazing how ONE man could be such a catalyst for discussion.

Along with scores of others he taught me the finesse of reloading, and shared data he spent many dollars developing.

I just wanted to say I miss him. I never met him in person, but regardless he was my friend and yours, and I miss how this forum used to resonate with stories, data, and a fun and healthy back and forth.

Hope all have a safe and COVID free Thanksgiving.

Joe
 

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Absolutely. Me too. I also miss Triple B.
And Ned S. He started duck hunting in th 30's, and if you waded through his sizzling steel advocacy, there was a lot of first hand history to hear.
Amazing to think that when a man passes, it's not just his body we lose...
 

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I was just thinking about Joe (BT Justice) today. I still have a message in my Outbox I sent him, but he never got a chance to answer. We talked a lot about 16 gauge steel shot loads and some about 12 gauge. He sent me one of his 10 gauge manuals about 3-4 months before he passed. I can't tell you how many times I have asked myself "I wonder what Joe would say about this?" He was a staple here at DHC, Joe and Ned both.

Ned sent me his altitude chart for steel shot for velocity and lethality range.

George Jones said it best, "Lord I wonder, Who's gonna fill their shoes?"
 

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How could I forget to mention Ned along with BT..... Wow now I feel bad.

I used to love the way Ned ended his posts with some pithy phrase like, "Ned, still hunting at 82 years young....."

We should have a sticky with stuff like Ned's altitude chart and BTs freely given load data.....
 

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C M Wings said:
How could I forget to mention Ned along with BT..... Wow now I feel bad.

I used to love the way Ned ended his posts with some pithy phrase like, "Ned, still hunting at 82 years young....."

We should have a sticky with stuff like Ned's altitude chart and BTs freely given load data.....
How would you like to title the Sticky Thread?
 

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Yes, place isn't the same without BT Justice, 10Gage nut. He was a great resource for 10 gauge, 16 gauge, and reloader's in general, definitely missed. One person can and does make a difference.
 

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Jim Atlas said:
Absolutely. Me too. I also miss Triple B.
And Ned S. He started duck hunting in th 30's, and if you waded through his sizzling steel advocacy, there was a lot of first hand history to hear.
Amazing to think that when a man passes, it's not just his body we lose...
It's like losing a library of knowledge, wisdom and fellowship.
 

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WarWagon was a good one too. Him and BT were the authority on 10 gauge loadings

I miss Frank Lopez too, he was always good at firing up the speed steel crowd, good old times
 

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Yes, BT Justice, Triple B, Ned, War wagon, Frank Lopez, the list goes on and on. Great people that enjoyed waterfowl hunting and reloading. Enjoy every day and live your life to the fullest, you never know when you make your last hunt.
 

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I'll get with Dep to create the sticky and maybe you guys can post up some of the great old threads or posts to keep them alive here. Tribute wise - - everyone here OK with calling it The Legends Thread? BT and Ned were great guys for sure but there were quite a few that made this forum one of the best on DHC.
 

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HNTFSH said:
I'll get with Dep to create the sticky and maybe you guys can post up some of the great old threads or posts to keep them alive here. Tribute wise - - everyone here OK with calling it The Legends Thread? BT and Ned were great guys for sure but there were quite a few that made this forum one of the best on DHC.
You know what, that's perfect. I was being a little melancholy and narrow minded. And I would suggest maybe even open to posting from guys still with us like Lost and Cannon... though God all Cannon needs is to be called a Legend LMAO.
 

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I want to give a Shout Out to hawglips, Toasty and Dave in AZ right now because I plan on dying before they do. :clapping:

I also miss BT Justice and his great information that he shared with us.
 

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I am more than glad to help, I just went on and renamed this one as the Legends Thread.
 

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C M Wings said:
And I would suggest maybe even open to posting from guys still with us like Lost and Cannon... though God all Cannon needs is to be called a Legend LMAO.
:lol3: Make it clear he has to be worm food before he can be a Legend.

Thanks much Dep6! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
 

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I do sort of think the legend thread should focus more on the memories of guys that are no longer with us. Not taking away from the living legends, but they can continue to post , the legends cannot.
 

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BT Justice 1st post on DHC circa '11.

BT Justice said:
Bug Doc said:
tripleb said:
I'd like to see what the computed downrange velocity and energy numbers would be on that load. It's been a long time, but I remember that it was a 1 1/4 oz. 2 3/4" Rem. load with 1's, shot from a Rem. 1100 with a 28" barrel. I believe the barrel length is correct. And, I am pretty certain of the approximate range - 40 yards - as I paced that distance off 100's of times in the process of bow shooting on the range and patterning shotshells. Remingtons I chronographed later generally did not show as much velocity difference as did the Federals of the day, usually about 70 to 80 fps. slower than published. As the gun functioned properly with the load and based on past experience with chronographing Remington steel loads, my best guess is that the MV of that load was likely somewhere between 1100 and 1200 fps., probably closer to 1200 fps. I think the advertised velocity would have been 1275 fps. in that load.

If you can do the calculations, you'll get some idea of what amount of energy is still insufficient to guarantee penetration through a large goose's breast feathers and skin.
Hi tripleb,
Starting with an initial velocity of 1100fps, at 40 yds steel 1's would have a terminal velocity of 644fps, energy of 3.92 ft.lbs., Energy Density of 195, and ballistic gel penetration of 1.61". Granted that's a little weak for shooting geese, but it should have penetrated at least part way through the breast meat. :huh:

There are some other possible explanations as to why the shot didn't penetrate. For instance, the side of the bird would have been covered by multiple overlapping layers of flight feathers, which would have offered some additional protection (Didn't anyone ever warn you not to shoot geese wearing body armor? :wink: ). There's also the freaky possibility that the pellets ricochetted off the ground and up to the breast. After all, a walking bird has its breast meat facing directly down, and likely would not have been hit dead on by someone shooting from the side (and slightly above, since you were shooting from an embankment). Finally, have you considered the possibility that the bruises came from another shot? This seems unlikely, but is a possibility.

Just for comparison, that same load with an initial velocity of 1550fps produces 40 yard values of 778fps, 5.73 ft.lbs., ED of 285, and gel penetration of 2.08", which agrees really well with your observation as the max distance this would work for body hits.
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BD
OOr he could have just had a bad load...which has happened on occasion also. But as far as shot bouncing off of geese yes it has happened...some of you might call it ridiculous, but a snow goose can have 3 inches of feather and down to penetrate...yeah I believe it and have seen it.
 
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