Hawglips ,

that is quite the pattern adding the TSS 9's , I assume you are loading those in a TPS wad ? With the Kicks choke , what's
the constriction in it ? And , are you saying the TSS 9's are the same balisticly as the steel 2's shooting Asteel powder ?

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Hawglips ,

that is quite the pattern adding the TSS 9's , I assume you are loading those in a TPS wad ? With the Kicks choke , what's
the constriction in it ? And , are you saying the TSS 9's are the same balisticly as the steel 2's shooting Asteel powder ?

3200

The smaller than standard TSS nines that he was shooting are closer to steel BBs, in terms of penetration depth and energy density.

Here are the numbers at the speed of that load (1425 fps MV, sea level, 32 deg F) at 40 yds:

Steel BB
72/oz, 758 fps final velocity, 305.4 ft-lbs/sq in, 2.35" gel penetration

TSS 9s (smaller than standard - the ones they were shooting above)
391/oz, 749 fps final velocity, 290.4 ft-lbs/sq in, 2.24" gel penetration

TSS 9s (standard size)
360/oz, 765 fps final velocity, 315 ft-lbs/sq in, 2.42" gel penetration

Steel 2s
124/oz, 693 fps final velocity, 212.5 ft-lbs/sq in, 1.64" gel penetration

The above load is adapted from a published Alliant load using Steel and the Precision 2-3/4" wad. He was using the imp cyl choke.

 

WOW , thanks for the info .

What would you figure the final cost of each shell be ? I wouldn't be interested in a duck load but , for long range geese

this might be the ticket if it's under 2.50 a shell ?

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WOW , thanks for the info .

What would you figure the final cost of each shell be ? I wouldn't be interested in a duck load but , for long range geese

this might be the ticket if it's under 2.50 a shell ?

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It's under 1.50 per shell.

 

This is certainly interesting but in all my tools and toys anything that is purported to be dual purpose always fell short of being the best of either, there is always a trade off.
As I said this is interesting but since I am only shooting a fraction of the amount of shells I have in the past, and my kill ratio is better than it has ever been, I am going to stick with the straight steel for the first shot or two and the last one or two in the magazine is TSS. This is really better than a mixed charge since if economy is the game then I am using the cheapest first and only TSS when I or my hunting partner misses or crips and I need more range.
In the 28 ga when float hunting the river it's TSS all the way.
Now if Hal will just try TSS in his Red Ryder...................
Lost

 

Lost , And I thought you were a High-roller with the cost not being a issue ? LOL...........3200

 

Well 3200 you see part of the secret is knowing what to use and when to use it.

BTW: Merry Christmas to you and yours,

Lost

 

I just looked at my stuff I can load a shell for about $.22 add that with the TSS costing 1.28 per she'll at 1/4oz. $50 a pound. That makes every box cost $37.50 I know I don't have the cheapest shells at $.22 per shot but the TSS bumps it way up.

 

YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP !!!! But remember you are loading for quality not quantity, LOL
Lost

 

Ok here is my question how many pellets are in a 1/4oz of smaller than average #9's? Cuz I would like to duplex with like 10's or so. I'm wondering with this stuff weighting so much does it add much to pattern density?

 

Ok here is my question how many pellets are in a 1/4oz of smaller than average #9's? Cuz I would like to duplex with like 10's or so. I'm wondering with this stuff weighting so much does it add much to pattern density?

391 per oz. The smallest I can reliably get run about 425 an oz.

If you put in 1/4 oz of it with a steel load of something from #3s on up, it will about double your pellet count in 30" at 40 yds. And if you are using anything smaller than BBs, it increases your average per pellet penetration.

So, the way I look at it is, adding a little TSS increases the performance of whatever shell you're shooting.

 

Nice work man!

Rob

 

Thanks Hawglips , There is a lot to learn here . Thanks for your time !

Happy Holidays

3200

 

So, the way I look at it is, adding a little TSS increases the performance of whatever shell you're shooting.

Well Hal you've certainly got a point there !!!!
Lost

 

Great work Hal, lot of good info here. Potential for other research is great- TSS and ITX? Or Hevi Shot?

Couple more weeks of hunting, then back to the pattern board!!!!

 

Great work Hal, lot of good info here. Potential for other research is great- TSS and ITX? Or Hevi Shot?

In turkey loads, I've done TSS x Hevishot and TSS x lead. You can actually take most any hevishot data, replace any qty of the hevishot with TSS, add felt filler as needed, and you are good to go. Just don't go over the payload. The PSI will most likely go down some, and velocity will probably go down some also.

 

How bout ITX13 x Steel Hawglips? I can get the ITX at a good price, relative to Hevi and TSS. Only problem is #6's are the smallest I can find. What 45 yard duplex load could you cook up? Could be really cost effective.

 

Where can TSS be purchased and how much is shipping? I am interested in these duplex loads.

 

How bout ITX13 x Steel Hawglips? I can get the ITX at a good price, relative to Hevi and TSS. Only problem is #6's are the smallest I can find. What 45 yard duplex load could you cook up? Could be really cost effective.

Not sure how a ITX13 duplex with steel would turn out, but the same "spiking" the load principle would apply -- just not as drastic an improvement per weight.

 

Where can TSS be purchased and how much is shipping? I am interested in these duplex loads.

You can get it from Tungsten Spheres out in CA, or you can check with me and see if I have any on hand. I can usually get it cheaper, but may or may not have your specific size requirement....

Just PM me if you ever want to check and see what I have.

 

BOY you have my attention. I LOVE Duplex shells.I didn't hear any of the anti waste of your money boys chime in yet , HUMM maybe your on to something here.! :huh:

 

I didn't hear any of the anti waste of your money boys chime in yet , HUMM maybe your on to something here.! :huh:

That's because Hawglips has solved the problem with duplex loads that YOU (and many like minded individuals) fail to understand. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Frank

 

I didn't hear any of the anti waste of your money boys chime in yet , HUMM maybe your on to something here.! :huh:

That's because Hawglips has solved the problem with duplex loads that YOU (and many like minded individuals) fail to understand. :lol3: :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:

Frank

Frank

I know duplex loads may not make much sense on paper. Even after talking to Roster he told me it seemed to be a waste.

However, at the same time, I have a duplex load which works wonders and have people asking me to load these for them. Just got a call today from one buddy asking for me to load a duplex.

This is where you will scream I know...it's a #3/BB duplex. Makes no sense on paper yet patterns very well and does great on birds.

I'm not proposing anything here aside from the fact that 3 seasons, maybe 4 now...this load has proven itself in the field.

 

I'm not proposing anything here aside from the fact that 3 seasons, maybe 4 now...this load has proven itself in the field.

Are you sure it has proven itself? Have you removed all other variables? For example. which pellets effected the kill? If it was the smaller pellets, then you've effectively castrated the effective range of the load by lowering the pellet count by adding larger pellets. If it was the larger pellet, at some extended range, what was the effect of the smaller pellets on the target at that range? With duplex loads, in general (current load of TSS/STL excepted) you sacrifice effective pattern density all ranges. Inside of the effective range of the smaller shot, you are putting fewer pellets in the pattern due to the larger size of the secondary pellet. At ranges where the larger pellets are needed for penetration, there simply aren't enough of them. Furtunately (or unfortunately, depending on your point of view) inside of a certain range almost anything will work since you will have the density (the pattern hasn't degraded yet) and penetration (even the smaller pellets will do the job).

Here's a challange. The load you cite is a combination of #3s and BBs, correct? Why not try the same charge weight and velocity with a load of straight #2s? (You might even try the same charge weight and velocity with #3s). I'll bet you $1,000 right now that in a valid comparison, the non-duplex load performs better.

Frank

 

Frank I will PM you so we don't hijack this thread. I found the pictures of my patterns so hopefully I can post them in a PM.