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But yes, maybe at some point we will need a different vaccine for a different variant. I just hope we don't waste so much time getting it to the public.
No way around that... The Pharmaceutical companies need 95 day minimum just to create the new shot, then it takes more time for production and distribution. The virus can mutate faster than new shots can be administered to the public. There is NO WAY for us to get out in front of this with vaccines if/when serious ADE events start happening.
 

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And IF the vaccines truly worked as a vaccine should- there would be no need for another vaccine for variants! A nonsterilizing vaccine is totally useless with respect to stopping the spread and creating herd immunity. With this virus, the ONLY WAY we will create herd immunity is through natural immunity. So everyone ought to prepare themselves now-if you have not caught COVID yet, odds are high you will eventually. And if you took the vaccine and an ADE mutation occurs...well..........better have access to ivermectin, fluvoxamine, and the rest of the FLCCC protocol recommendations because reliance on a vaccine isn't going to help you if/when the vaccinated bodies start piling up.
 

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And IF the vaccines truly worked as a vaccine should- there would be no need for another vaccine for variants! A nonsterilizing vaccine is totally useless with respect to stopping the spread and creating herd immunity. With this virus, the ONLY WAY we will create herd immunity is through natural immunity. So everyone ought to prepare themselves now-if you have not caught COVID yet, you will eventually.
How is a vaccine "supposed" to work?

Viruses that mutate like influence and coronavirus will require continual updating.

Same reason that if you get influenza once, you are not inoculated from future influenza.

The same one. Yes. Not 100% because even getting the virus does not apparently work they way it is supposed to.

Other variants the level of protection will vary from about as good as a perfect match to basically like you have zero immunity.

And the best way right now to prepare to be exposed to Covid is to get vaccinated. If you remain in the control group, you are about 200 times more likely to die than those that have been vaccinated.

Yes, but do you want to get to herd immunity with 200 times as many deaths. There are multiple ways to get natural immunity. Protected and unprotected. Protected is the smart way to go.
 

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How is a vaccine "supposed" to work?
From my knowledge speaking with an immunologist.....I may not have all the mechanics correct, but this is in layman's terms:
Traditional vaccines allow your body to create antibodies to the N proteins of the virus (as well as a host of other virus proteins). The N proteins are those that have the least amount of mutations over time in a virus. Thus these antibodies are durable and can last for decades against different strains of the virus. Natural immunity creates these antibodies to the N proteins as well. The current gene therapy they are calling a vaccine can not create durable protection because it is not made to create antibodies to the N Protein of the virus. It targets the spike protein (the key that unlocks the cells for entry) which is where the mutations occur the fastest in coronaviruses. So, over time, the antibodies that the vaccine creates to the spike protein of the original SARS-COV2 virus will be ineffective against new variants. Extremely high probability that it will happen, just a matter of time.

BTW, the reason the current gene therapy vaccine does not create N protein antibodies is because this was tried back in 2003 with the first SARS-COV1 outbreak. All the lab animals-both cats and ferrets died from ADE events from the virus. It all looked great on paper, and the lab animals showed great antibody production, but instead of neutralizing, the antibodies enhanced infection. Matter of of fact, every attempt to create a traditional vaccine for a coronavirus has failed for the same reasons....ADE.

The current 'vaccine' does not stop the spread, which is the hallmark of a vaccine from a public health perspective. And by not stopping the spread, the vaccine is enhancing mutations.
 

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Yes, but do you want to get to herd immunity with 200 times as many deaths. There are multiple ways to get natural immunity. Protected and unprotected. Protected is the smart way to go.
You are not factoring in the weakening effect the vaccine has on your immune system against other mundane viruses like the common cold, Which when a vaccinated individual 5 months post vaccination catches some strains, they get absolutely hammered and hospitalized with serious complications instead of just getting the sniffles and feeling like crap for a few days. Yeah, they didn't tell you about that when you signed up and got the jab....you know that informed consent deal.......
 

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The current 'vaccine' does not stop the spread, which is the hallmark of a vaccine from a public health perspective. And by not stopping the spread, the vaccine is enhancing mutations.
No vaccine will stop the spread if only half the population gets vaccinated :unsure:

It was far more than sufficiently effective against the original variant to stop the spread. In fact, it probably would have taken about 70% vaccination rate without accounting for those that had been previously infected.

However, with the delta variant, it is far more contagious and yes, it is less effective. So it won't stop the spread without accounting for previous infections. However, it is still effective, just not as effective as need be with such a contagious variant. Without the vaccine, at least 80% of the population will have to get infected with the delta variant. With the vaccine, that number is reduced. At half the population vaccinated, it will take around 70% infected. At 100%, it would be down around 40%.

You are not factoring in the weakening effect the vaccine has on your immune system against other mundane viruses like the common cold, Which when a vaccinated individual 5 months post vaccination catches some strains, they get absolutely hammered and hospitalized with serious complications instead of just getting the sniffles and feeling like crap for a few days. Yeah, they didn't tell you about that when you signed up and got the jab....you know that informed consent deal.......
Yes, because things that stimulate your immune system typically weaken your immune system.

Just perverse wishful thinking.
 

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No vaccine will stop the spread if only half the population gets vaccinated
Not true. If half the population is vaccinated with a sterilizing vaccine, that is enough to stop the spread of a virus with a R0 of around 5.
Also, there will be people that have contracted the illness and fought it off and now have natural immunity, which when combined with a sterilizing vaccine increases herd immunity.
 

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You are scared/concerned...I get it... I know you do have some comorbidities, and for you the risk/reward for taking the vaccine tilts towards reward. But that is NOT true for everyone. We still do not know the long term injuries that the vaccine causes. The deaths from the vaccine alone are extreme when compared to vaccines over the last 30 years. The adverse events, last I checked, were around 1.3 million.

Yet Ivermectin has been administered 3.78 billion times to humans. 2 deaths...and TPTB are claiming it is unsafe.....W...T....F!?!?!
 

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There has already been a Coronavirus variant created in the lab that can induce an ADE event. So we are past it being theoretical. It can happen. They took the delta variant, changed 4 proteins, and voila- an ADE inducing variant was created.

Now- here is the really sinister part....

Whats to stop China or some other entity from creating an ADE strain and releasing THAT onto the global population? Give that a ponder......
Don't bet that some demented mother :censored: won't try it. There are some depopulationist that have the means to pull that off and some of them have bought into that cult 100%....

It would be extremely hard to catch them as it is nothing more than what natural mutations could create....
 

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*Edit to add: Pre-print, not peer reviewed yet....

August 23 ,2021
Abstract:
mRNA-based vaccines provide effective protection against most common SARS-CoV-2 variants.
However, identifying likely breakthrough variants is critical for future vaccine development. Here,
we found that the Delta variant completely escaped from anti-N-terminal domain (NTD)
neutralizing antibodies, while increasing responsiveness to anti-NTD infectivity-enhancing
antibodies. Although Pfizer-BioNTech BNT162b2-immune sera neutralized the Delta variant,
when four common mutations were introduced into the receptor binding domain (RBD) of the
Delta variant (Delta 4+), some BNT162b2-immune sera lost neutralizing activity and enhanced the
infectivity. Unique mutations in the Delta NTD were involved in the enhanced infectivity by the
BNT162b2-immune sera. Sera of mice immunized by Delta spike, but not wild-type spike,
consistently neutralized the Delta 4+ variant without enhancing infectivity. Given the fact that a
Delta variant with three similar RBD mutations has
already emerged according to the GISAID
database, it is necessary to develop vaccines that protect against such complete breakthrough
variants.
One more mutation to go.......

The SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant is poised to acquire complete resistance to wild-type spike vaccines
 

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A rather remarkable situation in San Diego that we could see play out in the rest of the nation. The police union, The San Diego Police Officers Association (SDPOA), asked their members about the vaccination mandate. 65 percent of the respondents said they would consider quitting the force if the city were to impose a requirement. However, an alarming 45 percent said they would rather be fired than comply with the mandate.


The SDPOA has 1,971 members. According to the San Diego Union Tribune, half of those officers are not vaccinated. If that half of the entire police department were to be fired for non-compliance with the vaccine mandate, the city of San Diego would be in a really sketchy place. The city has a deadline for compliance on November 2nd.
45% of 1,971 is 887 police officers.... Hard No, not getting vaccinated. Go pound sand. And this will go viral nationally. Ball's in your court Biden, wanna crash the economy? Do it and see what happens. The unvaccinated are not bluffing.

San Diego Could Lose Half Their Police Force From Vaccine Mandate, 45 Percent Are a Hard NO and Willing to Be Fired
 

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Was away for a few days and after getting caught up in here all I can do is just shake my head. SO much erroneous, inaccurate and flat out false information in the past several pages of this thread. It's astounding, really.
 

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45% of 1,971 is 887 police officers.... Hard No, not getting vaccinated. Go pound sand. And this will go viral nationally. Ball's in your court Biden, wanna crash the economy? Do it and see what happens. The unvaccinated are not bluffing.

San Diego Could Lose Half Their Police Force From Vaccine Mandate, 45 Percent Are a Hard NO and Willing to Be Fired
It really is a difference in thought processes. The socialist left wants to rule, force compliance and screw your personal liberty. From Big Gulps to Light Bulbs to Windmills to Forced Vaccines, they know what is best for you, so just do as you are told. And once they force this, more gun control is coming because they know you should not be trusted with a gun.

Conservatives trust individuals to make up their own minds and deal with the consequences. Just truly different views of the world.

And succession is something I would vote for TODAY. We are irreparably divided in my opinion.
 

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Sadly, this belongs in the Laugh of the Day, but with the Creator (can't use the G-d word on here either, Spinner:D) as my witness, I heard a doctor state (now follow closely)- That the unvaxed need to get the shot to protect themselves from the vaxed who are spreading the Delta variant.

So, the unvaxed need to be protected from the vaxed by joining the vaxed. Ahhhh modern western medicine. :LOL:

Every now and then, people accidentally speak the truth.

This is a very vax biased doctor who is compartmentalizing all the related vax issues, but does think mandates are waaaaay over the top.
 

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Sadly, this belongs in the Laugh of the Day, but with the Creator (can't use the G-d word on here either, Spinner:D) as my witness, I heard a doctor state (now follow closely)- That the unvaxed need to get the shot to protect themselves from the vaxed who are spreading the Delta variant.

So, the unvaxed need to be protected from the vaxed by joining the vaxed. Ahhhh modern western medicine. :LOL:

Every now and then, people accidentally speak the truth.

This is a very vax biased doctor who is compartmentalizing all the related vax issues, but does think mandates are waaaaay over the top.
There is absolutely no data anywhere that supports this.

I finally put my finger on it. The antivaxxers are just like the climate change dooms dayers. They all point to examples, experts, etc. that suggest doom, because that is what they believe in their heart, yet apply no common sense. Good really, qualified, experts say really nonsensical things like "the unvaxxed need to get vaxxed to protect themselves from the vaxxed." Seriously? It's exactly the same behavior, just a different issue.

There are all these theories of how the world will end by AGW and every storm proves it so and if there aren't enough storm, you got it AGW is rearing its ugly head.

Yes, we need to worry about double the CO2 level in the atmosphere. Yes, it may be bad. It may be good. Time will tell.

But the vaccine. It's saving a $hit ton of lives today. Will it wear off? Maybe. Will the virus mutate into something so deadly that humans are wiped from the earth? Maybe. But as of right now, there is no evidence we are doomed no matter what we do. Other than by the insane ****ing politicians. The virus is the biggest single health threat for most humans that have not already survived it. The vaccine dramatically reduces, but not eliminates, that threat. It works with very low risk relative to the risk reduction it provides. The cost, who the hell knows, which is scary.

If you don't want to take the vaccine, there is no excuse for the government imposing it upon you. This is not that dangerous and people have the ability to protect themselves. If I don't have a mask and you don't like it, leave me alone. If you don't know if I'm vaccinated and that scares you, leave me alone. Social distancing works. Violating your space if you are avoiding me is harassment and/or assault. Same if you violate mine to tell me I am not doing it right.

If your company wants to make it a condition of employment, that too is what freedom is about. I provided my vaccination records to my employer back when I thought, "hey if they need someone vaxxed, they know I'm vaxxed." Now, I wish I wouldn't have. We are nearly all remote, so there is absolutely no reasonable occupational safety or other imaginable reason that people that are 100% remote need to be vaccinated. Does everyone in my "place of work" have to be vaccinated as well? If it's about my safety and my coworkers, the only person I interact with at work is my wife. In Florida, it may be the neighbors if I'm working with the patio doors open.
 

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Will know this week as more data is released from Israel if the trend continues, but it does not look good for the vaccinated Individuals.

Vaccine warning as Israel data shows Pfizer protection 'vanishes' against Delta strain

THE EFFECTIVENESS of Pfizer's Covid vaccine wanes dramatically within six months, with new data published in Israel suggesting the vaccine virtually "vanishes" when facing the Delta strain of coronavirus.

The study reads: "This infectiousness protection starts diminishing for patients two months post-vaccination and ultimately vanishes for patients six months or longer post-vaccination."
 

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So now they are talking about a 3rd jab. This is admission that the vaccine efficacy wanes over time. I'm certain the administration is following the data coming out of Israel. The question is; are the known risks from the vaccine cumulative? It is now scientific fact that the spike protein is cytotoxic. Is the damage (micro blood clots, endothelial cell damage of the vessels and heart, etc...) cumulative as well? If yes, then how many jabs can the body withstand before serious complications or death occur? There are NO clinical studies on this...we are flying blind.....and people wonder why a certain segment of the population is hesitant to get the vaccine.

This also brings up another question. Did the vaccine makers KNOW that efficacy wanes over time? Did they know the rate of decay? Is this why the titer of the vaccines is 10X to 100X more than natural immunity antibody titer? And did they know by doing this that risks would be increased? Did they do this so they could pass the 4 month trial and get EUA approval?
 

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It must be effective for the effectiveness to wane.

If we need a booster, then that's how it is. That will be unfortunate, but what part of this thing has gone well?
 

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It must be effective for the effectiveness to wane.

If we need a booster, then that's how it is. That will be unfortunate, but what part of this thing has gone well?
No, it works both ways. The vaccine isn't effective AND the effectiveness wanes over time. o_O
 
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