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Yes, because things that stimulate your immune system typically weaken your immune system.

Just perverse wishful thinking.
We also found a co-dominance of mAbs targeting the NTD and RBD of SARS-CoV-2 spike and an original antigenic-sin like backboost to seasonal human coronaviruses OC43 and HKU1.
Meaning the SARS-COV2 vaccine seems to show a weakening of your immune memory towards recognizing beta coronaviruses (common cold) OC43 and HKU1. Which might explain why some vaccinated get hammered and end up in the hospital, yet when tested for SARS-COV2 antibodies the test is negative.

HKU1 coronavirus can cause severe pneumonia and bronchiolitis.

The plasmablast response to SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination is dominated by non-neutralizing antibodies and targets both the NTD and the RBD

But since day one, the hospitals have been rubber stamping anyone coming through the door as COVID to juice the fear porn, we do not have any data on how prevalent this could be. We were not looking for it. Some Doctors are actually practicing medicine and started testing for SARS-COV2 antibodies.
 

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From the same study:
In this study we profiled vaccine-induced polyclonal antibodies as well as plasmablast derived mAbs from individuals who received SARS-CoV-2 spike mRNA vaccine. Polyclonal antibody responses in vaccinees were robust and comparable to or exceeded those seen after natural infection. However, the ratio of binding to neutralizing antibodies after vaccination was greater than that after natural infection and, at the monoclonal level, we found that the majority of vaccine-induced antibodies did not have neutralizing activity.
Could this be the reason why the titre is so high in the vaccines? And what percentage of those non neutralizing antibodies are capable of enhancing infection?
 

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In vaccinated subjects, antibody titers decreased by up to 40% each subsequent month while in convalescents they decreased by less than 5% per month. Six months after BNT162b2 (pfizer) vaccination 16.1% subjects had antibody levels below the seropositivity threshold of <50 AU/mL, while only 10.8% of convalescent patients were below <50 AU/mL threshold after 9 months from SARS-CoV-2 infection.
So it's vaccine Russian roulette 6 months out for 16.1% of the vaccinated. What's it look like 12 months out? When does the protection run out?

Large-scale study of antibody titer decay following BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine or SARS-CoV-2 infection
 

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Thus why people at Pfizer were joking that they are in a situation where they have a license to print money. Boosters forever.

According to their internal chatter, they are pushing booster shot #3 and possibly #4 while they try to get oral boosters underway because that is a much simpler distribution method. No one has to be trained to give it with a needle. Just have Amazon automatically drop off your oral booster every three months until your immune system is completely destroyed.
 

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Define effective since the goal post has been moved so many times....
You're just refusing to accept it. Plain and simple. The numbers, data, percentages, etc., etc., etc., etc., have been posted on here ad nauseum. It's irrefutable. Yet you instead choose to believe anecdotes and studies that I clearly pointed out where the author themselves cited the quality of the data as "very low". I asked you to provide something substantial to back your claim. All you can come up with is there is none due to government and big pharma conspiracy. I at least have respect for how hard you stand your ground, no matter how clear it is you're wrong.

Speaking of moving the goalposts, which is it for you? The vaccine is ineffective, so not needed? Or is it since the effectiveness wanes it is not needed? You've argued both contradicting points.
 

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But since day one, the hospitals have been rubber stamping anyone coming through the door as COVID to juice the fear porn, we do not have any data on how prevalent this could be.
I mean, who's not in on the worldwide conspiracy surrounding Covid? According to you it's every hospital, every doctor, every virologist, every epidemiologist. World ****ing wide.
 

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You're just refusing to accept it. Plain and simple. The numbers, data, percentages, etc., etc., etc., etc., have been posted on here ad nauseum. It's irrefutable. Yet you instead choose to believe anecdotes and studies that I clearly pointed out where the author themselves cited the quality of the data as "very low". I asked you to provide something substantial to back your claim. All you can come up with is there is none due to government and big pharma conspiracy. I at least have respect for how hard you stand your ground, no matter how clear it is you're wrong.

Speaking of moving the goalposts, which is it for you? The vaccine is ineffective, so not needed? Or is it since the effectiveness wanes it is not needed? You've argued both contradicting points.
So your 100% confident Delta can't break through....nope, can't happen.
While you are at it, are the risks for more jabs cumulative?
 

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I mean, who's not in on the worldwide conspiracy surrounding Covid? According to you it's every hospital, every doctor, every virologist, every epidemiologist. World ****ing wide.

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So your 100% confident Delta can't break through....nope, can't happen.
This is a perfect example of how you're being extremely dense. This is already been discussed on year NUMEROUS times. The effectiveness of vaccination is in severe disease and death, where it is extremely effective and cannot be refuted. It's also effective against infection, but to a lesser degree.

If your definition of "effective" is different than mine, and all those doctors, epidemiologists, virologists, etc. previously mentioned, fair enough. There's really no point to debate further. But continuing to argue your point by being disingenuous just weakens your argument.

While you are at it, are the risks for more jabs cumulative?
I haven't looked into this, specifically, so won't pretend to know the answer to your question. Although I do know the risk of vaccination in general is very low.
 

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I haven't looked into this, specifically, so won't pretend to know the answer to your question. Although I do know the risk of vaccination in general is very low.
And that is why true informed consent simply can not happen. Without knowing the risks, how can they be conveyed to the public? These vaccines should have NEVER been released under EUA until actual informed consent was possible. Period, full stop.
 

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This is a perfect example of how you're being extremely dense. This is already been discussed on year NUMEROUS times. The effectiveness of vaccination is in severe disease and death, where it is extremely effective and cannot be refuted. It's also effective against infection, but to a lesser degree.
*see Mu variant
 

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Link? Been dealing with direct hit from hurricane Ida, was out of power for 10 days. I probably missed it.
It's throughout this very thread. Spinner and myself have been saying this for pretty much the duration.

I hope things didn't turn out too roughly for you with Ida!!
 

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The deteriorating picture nine months into the nation’s vaccination drive has angered and frustrated medical professionals who see the heartbreak as preventable. The vast majority of the dead and the hospitalized have been unvaccinated, in what has proved to be a hard lesson for some families.

“The problem now is we have been trying to educate based on science, but I think most of the education that is happening now is based on tragedy, personal tragedy,” said Dr. Ryan Stanton, an emergency room physician in Lexington, Kentucky.
 

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The vast majority of the dead and the hospitalized have been unvaccinated,
The vast majority of the dead in the U.S. were left to die and not treated with drugs now shown to reduce hospitalizations and death by 75%.
 

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Link? Been dealing with direct hit from hurricane Ida, was out of power for 10 days. I probably missed it.
I mean, the majority of the conversation was directly with you. You didn't miss it, just ignored it. But here's a small sample to remind you.

You're factually wrong. The vaccines are still highly effective against the Delta variant, especially at preventing severe disease, hospitalizations and death. Show me a report (reputable) that it was ever said vaccination prevents the contraction of Covid? Now if we continue, as a country, to let this virus spread exponentially it increases the chance that a vaccine resistant variant emerges. Who is the virus primarily spreading through? The unvaccinated. The same group that's at a MUCH greater risk of having severe disease, hospitalization or death compared to those who are vaccinated. Evidenced by that 90+% statistic currently hospitalized with Covid in your very own state.
Key words here, will HELP. Which the data (facts) that I've already presented numerous times has shown. Still don't see where it says will PREVENT one from contracting Covid.
Yep, 346 to be exact. 4 of which required hospitalization (2 with underlying conditions) and zero deaths. That's 1.1%. So 98.9% effectiveness of the vaccination to severe disease and 100% against death. Massachusetts has one of the highest vaccination rates in the country, and with the increased communicability of the delta variant a higher percent being vaccinated makes sense. In this particular case study, you are correct that the vaccinated were spreading, or at least, contracting Covid higher than the unvaccinated. But if you look at the numbers nationwide, and in particular areas with low vaccination rates, that's not the case at all. It's 8 fold unvaxxed to vaxxed. Then when you look at deaths and hospitalizations, it's 25 fold worse for the unvaxxed.

I anticipate the Delta variant to continue to spread easily through the unvaxxed and more readily amongst the vaccinated than previous strains of the virus. As vaccination rates increase (which it has already jumped over 16% in the past week), so will the percentage of vaccinated individuals who contract Covid. The big difference will be, as were already seeing, is the death and hospitalization numbers will be VASTLY different among the two groups. Where the vaccinated will be highly protected from severe disease and death. The entire point of vaccination.
 

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Key words here, will HELP. Which the data (facts) that I've already presented numerous times has shown. Still don't see where it says will PREVENT one from contracting Covid.
"Stop the Spread" was the mantra used to push the vaccine. Stop the spread by definition means not contracting Covid. I'm sure I can find videos...
 
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